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This was supposedly done during the US bombing of yugoslavia... open microwaves transmit pulsed radiation, automatic systems think it's a radar and bomb the sit

This was supposedly done during the US bombing of yugoslavia... open microwaves transmit pulsed radiation, automatic systems think it's a radar and bomb the site.

chinathrow 4y ago
What automatic systems are out there bombing such things?
- oakwhiz 4y ago
  AGM-88 HARM (High-speed Anti-Radiation Missile)
- marshray 4y ago
  AGM-88 HARM (High-speed Anti-Radiation Missile) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGM-88_HARM https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGM-88_HARM
- Exmoor 4y ago
  Presumably, GP is referring to a HARM[0] or similar anti-radiation missile[1]. I believe the targeting automatically, but presumably the pilot still had to pull the trigger. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGM-88_HARM https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGM-88_HARM [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-radiation_missile https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-radiation_missile
nikcub 4y ago
Can confirm this and that it happen in both Bosnia and the Serbia campaigns. I had family members who were involved [0]. The deception methods that were applied were truly remarkable, they used decoy tanks and sent people out to imprint fake tank tracks into fields. They also understood IR and would shield real troops while leaving coal to burn in empty pillboxes and bunkers There was also the shoot down of the F-117A by what was effectively a rag-tag group of AA who planned the operation and pulled it off A lot of what was learned in the earlier Bosnia campaign was applied later in '99 - not just the use of decoys and microwaves, but using spotters to track the regular flight paths of incoming fighters and intermittently switching radar off and on (this is how Scott O'Grady was shot down in his F16) Gen. Wesley Clark was a huge advocate of the doctrine that you could win wars with air power alone and never have to sacrifice ground troops - that thinking changed after '99 [0] note that I in no way condone the overall goal of what took place there and those same family members would be the first to tell you it was horrific
- idonotknowwhy 4y ago
  Where can one read more about this+
  - mikrotikker 4y ago
    Operations room did a great video https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Is3R4ie21Mc https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Is3R4ie21Mc
- mysterydip 4y ago
  I heard the downing of the f-117 was due in large part to them flying the same patterns at the same time every night. Was this true? Or was there more involved in the AA hit?
  - TEP_Kim_Il_Sung 4y ago
    IIRC it involved sacrificing one AA tank and using another to kill the plane.
  - sornaensis 4y ago
    Yes, the same flight plans, routes and timetables, were re-used, so when spotters saw the aircraft take off they had a very good idea of where it would come from. The shoot down also involved the SAM radar operator violating his own SOP by leaving his radar on longer than they normally do, and firing at a non-PID contact, because they _knew_ the aircraft was going to be there. Complacency kills.
    - tablespoon 4y ago
      > non-PID contact What is that, exactly?
      - sundvor 4y ago
        Not having a positive ID, I reckon.
azubinski 4y ago
This is a legend that is created by propaganda. Microwave ovens frequency is 2.45GHz with a narrow spectrum because microwave ovens are under strict RF regulation, like anything that is an intentional or unintentional radiator. Microwave oven magnetron's power is miserable compared with any AAD radar. Plus, microwave oven is not designed to emit RF energy when it's opened. So, emitted power will be even less. https://s3.wp.wsu.edu/uploads/sites/1254/2017/01/tang264.pdf https://s3.wp.wsu.edu/uploads/sites/1254/2017/01/tang264.pdf
- xattt 4y ago
  If you’re in wartime, microwave oven door safety interlocks are out the window. The mesh of the door can be simply cut out, or the interlock microswitches pressed down with dowels or tape. The article you linked shows that there’s frequency drift over time with a microwave, and that different magnetrons have different spectrum profiles.

This was supposedly done during the US bombing of yugoslavia... open microwaves transmit pulsed radiation, automatic systems think it's a radar and bomb the site.

chinathrow 4y ago

What automatic systems are out there bombing such things?

oakwhiz 4y ago
AGM-88 HARM (High-speed Anti-Radiation Missile)
marshray 4y ago
AGM-88 HARM (High-speed Anti-Radiation Missile) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGM-88_HARM https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGM-88_HARM
Exmoor 4y ago
Presumably, GP is referring to a HARM[0] or similar anti-radiation missile[1]. I believe the targeting automatically, but presumably the pilot still had to pull the trigger. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGM-88_HARM https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGM-88_HARM [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-radiation_missile https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-radiation_missile

nikcub 4y ago

Can confirm this and that it happen in both Bosnia and the Serbia campaigns. I had family members who were involved [0]. The deception methods that were applied were truly remarkable, they used decoy tanks and sent people out to imprint fake tank tracks into fields. They also understood IR and would shield real troops while leaving coal to burn in empty pillboxes and bunkers There was also the shoot down of the F-117A by what was effectively a rag-tag group of AA who planned the operation and pulled it off A lot of what was learned in the earlier Bosnia campaign was applied later in '99 - not just the use of decoys and microwaves, but using spotters to track the regular flight paths of incoming fighters and intermittently switching radar off and on (this is how Scott O'Grady was shot down in his F16) Gen. Wesley Clark was a huge advocate of the doctrine that you could win wars with air power alone and never have to sacrifice ground troops - that thinking changed after '99 [0] note that I in no way condone the overall goal of what took place there and those same family members would be the first to tell you it was horrific

idonotknowwhy 4y ago
Where can one read more about this+
- mikrotikker 4y ago
  Operations room did a great video https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Is3R4ie21Mc https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Is3R4ie21Mc
mysterydip 4y ago
I heard the downing of the f-117 was due in large part to them flying the same patterns at the same time every night. Was this true? Or was there more involved in the AA hit?
- TEP_Kim_Il_Sung 4y ago
  IIRC it involved sacrificing one AA tank and using another to kill the plane.
- sornaensis 4y ago
  Yes, the same flight plans, routes and timetables, were re-used, so when spotters saw the aircraft take off they had a very good idea of where it would come from. The shoot down also involved the SAM radar operator violating his own SOP by leaving his radar on longer than they normally do, and firing at a non-PID contact, because they _knew_ the aircraft was going to be there. Complacency kills.
  - tablespoon 4y ago
    > non-PID contact What is that, exactly?
    - sundvor 4y ago
      Not having a positive ID, I reckon.

azubinski 4y ago

This is a legend that is created by propaganda. Microwave ovens frequency is 2.45GHz with a narrow spectrum because microwave ovens are under strict RF regulation, like anything that is an intentional or unintentional radiator. Microwave oven magnetron's power is miserable compared with any AAD radar. Plus, microwave oven is not designed to emit RF energy when it's opened. So, emitted power will be even less. https://s3.wp.wsu.edu/uploads/sites/1254/2017/01/tang264.pdf https://s3.wp.wsu.edu/uploads/sites/1254/2017/01/tang264.pdf

xattt 4y ago
If you’re in wartime, microwave oven door safety interlocks are out the window. The mesh of the door can be simply cut out, or the interlock microswitches pressed down with dowels or tape. The article you linked shows that there’s frequency drift over time with a microwave, and that different magnetrons have different spectrum profiles.