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If you consider Twitter to be toxic, wait until you experience Mastodon. It's the homeland of the most unhinged activists. Correction: sadistic bullies that hav

by fleddr 4y ago

If you consider Twitter to be toxic, wait until you experience Mastodon. It's the homeland of the most unhinged activists. Correction: sadistic bullies that have no life. They've build tools to find out who plays/streams this game and then spam the chat. They bully people to unfollow said players. They post game spoilers everywhere on social media. They report Mastodon users playing the game, demanding a ban. And when the mod does not comply, they circle and attack the mod. The mod...whom specifically managed a LGBTQ+ instance. The game is now antisemitic too, because it contains some ancient horn artifact? There is no end to their sadism and pettiness. And when the damage is done, they'll high five each other and consider it another win for the humanitarian cause. They're evil and disturbed.

partiallypro 4y ago
> If you consider Twitter to be toxic, wait until you experience Mastodon. I noticed this immediately on several Twitter alts I explored and immediately stopped using them. They were massive echo chambers and circle jerks. Some of them would even turn on each other and implode over incredibly minor things. I remember message boards imploding in the early 2000s, but that usually took years, massive circles of people leaving, and changing of hands to achieve...this was like that on a speed run; and they mostly all went back to Twitter.
- fleddr 4y ago
  Accurately described. At times it comes across as peaceful, but in a very creepy way. 100% ideological consistency where the ideology is nothing of substance, just unhinged online-only performative virtue signaling. Every once in a while a reply gives a minor pushback after which the account is immediately circled and stomped on.
  - TMWNN 4y ago
    Such methods were perfected on Metafilter. <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32880651 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32880651>
Waterluvian 4y ago
Mastodon is software for running federated social networking servers. Are you perhaps referring to a specific server or community? It’s quite possible to join a server that focuses on a specific hobby and generally avoid any of that horribleness.
- fleddr 4y ago
  I know what Mastodon is. What you say is true for every social network, you can find your little niche that works for you. I'm speaking in broad terms about the general culture.
  - Waterluvian 4y ago
    What do you mean by “broad terms about the general culture”? Are you saying that the average user of any Mastodon server is “evil and disturbed?”
    - fleddr 4y ago
      No, a meltdown is not the day-to-day culture, but it's definitely a fringe activist network.
      - Waterluvian 4y ago
        That is quite ugly. I’m sorry you’ve had that experience but I’m telling you: check out other servers. They’re really quite different and you’re in no way forced to engage in subcultures you’re not interested in. If you keep running into the same smell every where you go, it might not be that all of Mastodon is smelly. It’s kind of like Reddit. There’s all kinds of slimy subreddits, but I just don’t join those and I never see their content or discourse.
      - peterashford 4y ago
        That is just utter rubbish.
  - kalleboo 4y ago
jdlshore 4y ago
Yeah, that hasn’t been my experience at all. (Edit: I’m not saying there aren’t toxic people on Mastodon, because obviously they’re going to be on any large site. I’m disagreeing that it’s worse than Twitter. It’s all about who you interact with.)
- peterashford 4y ago
  Ditto. My experience with Mastodon has been really positive. I've blocked one person ever. On Twitter, I'd block an account per week, sometimes more
krapp 4y ago
> The game is now antisemitic too, because it contains some ancient horn artifact? No. The game is accused of being antisemitic because it portrays goblins with antisemitic stereotypes - greedy, gold-hoarding, hook-nosed bankers and money-lenders. Although this isn't entirely exclusive to JKR, as Tolkein had similar issues with his original portrayal of dwarves (which he later tried to rectify,) and this sort of portrayal goes far back in folklore and was purposely rooted in antisemitism. Given JKR's other views and her recent open hostility towards what you would consider "the woke", people aren't willing to assume she was simply naive. If you're interested in the context surrounding this controversy here are some sources. A google search can uncover more. [0]https://www.forbes.com/sites/danidiplacido/2022/01/05/the-harry-potter-anti-semitism-controversy-explained/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/danidiplacido/2022/01/05/the-ha... [1]https://www.jta.org/2023/02/10/culture/are-the-goblins-in-the-new-harry-potter-video-game-really-antisemitic https://www.jta.org/2023/02/10/culture/are-the-goblins-in-th...
- linuxftw 4y ago
  > No. The game is accused of being antisemitic because it portrays goblins with antisemitic stereotypes - greedy, gold-hoarding, hook-nosed bankers and money-lenders. I don't believe anyone actually thinks this. I do believe that people are reaching for any reason to try to disparage the game because they don't like JKR. Maybe, just maybe, the people complaining about the game are unhinged.
  - krapp 4y ago
    > Maybe, just maybe, the people complaining about the game are unhinged. They aren't, but the vibe of this thread already makes it obvious that argument to that end would be fruitless.
    - iinnPP 4y ago
      I would honestly say that anyone linking the goblin behaviour to human behaviour is the racist/prejudice one. Just stop acknowledging that the stereotype is in any way real. Treat it like a child calling you poopiface(which is their best attempt at hurting you btw). That is the ONLY way to beat racism. Even then, racists will be around being racist. The difference is that everyone will treat their opinion the same way they treat the child calling them poopiface. What happens next? The impact of racism is greatly lessened. That is the best case scenario because the only other method involves slavery and reeducation camps. People still murder right? We all agree that is wrong and look at where that gets us. The people who choose to not agree end up where? Right, slavery and reeducation in a camp.
kryogen1c 4y ago
> They're evil and disturbed. I wouldn't say evil, but reading through the comments makes it clear a lot of these people need therapy. Surprisingly, it reminded me a lot of right wingers dressed up in body armor with a rifle that couldn't run a mile to save their life (or the life of the man next to them). Theres a performative element to both; They're LARPing, trying to regain a sense of control and meaning.
- TMWNN 4y ago
  >I wouldn't say evil, but reading through the comments makes it clear a lot of these people need therapy. Another such example: /u/LibraryLass just caused a colossal mess in /r/asksciencefiction <https://np.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/10wzlb6/drama_in_rasksciencefiction_as_mod_goes_rogue/ https://np.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/10wzlb6/dram...> over Hogwarts Legacy. Not the first time the user has caused such online commotion, a while back receiving a ban from rpg.net. The mods removed the ban after a heartfelt plea ... and quickly regretted it <https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/librarylass-receives-a-%F0%9F%92%80-permanent-ban-no-appeals.855818/ https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/librarylass-receives...>. I wrote on Reddit: >Reading that appeal by LibraryLass at the bottom of the thread, the one that won the unban broke my heart. >That plea for unbanning sounds like LibraryLass basically made rpg.net the center of living, and could not stand any more not being able to participate. LibraryLass's former mod colleagues took pity and revoked the ban despite having concerns about what might happen ... and then LibraryLass, I guess, promptly broke the conditions of said unbanning. >LibraryLass needs help. I hope the recent Reddit drama will cause said person to seek out said help, but I doubt it based on the parting comments I've read through unddit.
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rvz 4y ago
This is just one of many Mastodon instances which are undergoing an extinction event which involves: turning against themselves and destroying each other. This time, it is over a children's video game. It is really amusing to watch this when the world just ignores them and continues to play the Harry Potter wizard video game as usual and are talking about it on Twitter. At the end of the day, there is only a few people that are winning and JK Rowling is one of them, despite not even being directly involved with the game and will earn millions out of it regardless with the complainers wasting their time and winning nothing. This Mastodon instance lives up to it's domain really well: mastodon.lol
- TMWNN 4y ago
  >This is just one of many Mastodon instances which are undergoing an extinction event which involves: turning against themselves and destroying each other. This is happening elsewhere, too?!? Good grief!
MattDemers 4y ago
I guess my thoughts are: isn't this activism, though? "They are using their time to impart the results that they want. They're developing the tools and implementing them to get their opinions and actions across to as many people as possible." Is someone finding that annoying or distasteful, or thinking "wow, they have a lot of time on their hands" valid reasoning to calling them "evil and disturbed", or are people just not wanting to put the equal amount of effort to resisting/subverting that?
peterashford 4y ago
You're tarring all of Mastodon with a mighty large brush, there.

by fleddr 4y ago

partiallypro 4y ago

> If you consider Twitter to be toxic, wait until you experience Mastodon. I noticed this immediately on several Twitter alts I explored and immediately stopped using them. They were massive echo chambers and circle jerks. Some of them would even turn on each other and implode over incredibly minor things. I remember message boards imploding in the early 2000s, but that usually took years, massive circles of people leaving, and changing of hands to achieve...this was like that on a speed run; and they mostly all went back to Twitter.

fleddr 4y ago
Accurately described. At times it comes across as peaceful, but in a very creepy way. 100% ideological consistency where the ideology is nothing of substance, just unhinged online-only performative virtue signaling. Every once in a while a reply gives a minor pushback after which the account is immediately circled and stomped on.
- TMWNN 4y ago
  Such methods were perfected on Metafilter. <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32880651 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32880651>

Waterluvian 4y ago

Mastodon is software for running federated social networking servers. Are you perhaps referring to a specific server or community? It’s quite possible to join a server that focuses on a specific hobby and generally avoid any of that horribleness.

fleddr 4y ago
I know what Mastodon is. What you say is true for every social network, you can find your little niche that works for you. I'm speaking in broad terms about the general culture.
- Waterluvian 4y ago
  What do you mean by “broad terms about the general culture”? Are you saying that the average user of any Mastodon server is “evil and disturbed?”
  - fleddr 4y ago
    No, a meltdown is not the day-to-day culture, but it's definitely a fringe activist network.
    - Waterluvian 4y ago
      That is quite ugly. I’m sorry you’ve had that experience but I’m telling you: check out other servers. They’re really quite different and you’re in no way forced to engage in subcultures you’re not interested in. If you keep running into the same smell every where you go, it might not be that all of Mastodon is smelly. It’s kind of like Reddit. There’s all kinds of slimy subreddits, but I just don’t join those and I never see their content or discourse.
    - peterashford 4y ago
      That is just utter rubbish.
- kalleboo 4y ago

jdlshore 4y ago

Yeah, that hasn’t been my experience at all. (Edit: I’m not saying there aren’t toxic people on Mastodon, because obviously they’re going to be on any large site. I’m disagreeing that it’s worse than Twitter. It’s all about who you interact with.)

peterashford 4y ago
Ditto. My experience with Mastodon has been really positive. I've blocked one person ever. On Twitter, I'd block an account per week, sometimes more

krapp 4y ago

> The game is now antisemitic too, because it contains some ancient horn artifact? No. The game is accused of being antisemitic because it portrays goblins with antisemitic stereotypes - greedy, gold-hoarding, hook-nosed bankers and money-lenders. Although this isn't entirely exclusive to JKR, as Tolkein had similar issues with his original portrayal of dwarves (which he later tried to rectify,) and this sort of portrayal goes far back in folklore and was purposely rooted in antisemitism. Given JKR's other views and her recent open hostility towards what you would consider "the woke", people aren't willing to assume she was simply naive. If you're interested in the context surrounding this controversy here are some sources. A google search can uncover more. [0]https://www.forbes.com/sites/danidiplacido/2022/01/05/the-harry-potter-anti-semitism-controversy-explained/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/danidiplacido/2022/01/05/the-ha... [1]https://www.jta.org/2023/02/10/culture/are-the-goblins-in-the-new-harry-potter-video-game-really-antisemitic https://www.jta.org/2023/02/10/culture/are-the-goblins-in-th...

linuxftw 4y ago
> No. The game is accused of being antisemitic because it portrays goblins with antisemitic stereotypes - greedy, gold-hoarding, hook-nosed bankers and money-lenders. I don't believe anyone actually thinks this. I do believe that people are reaching for any reason to try to disparage the game because they don't like JKR. Maybe, just maybe, the people complaining about the game are unhinged.
- krapp 4y ago
  > Maybe, just maybe, the people complaining about the game are unhinged. They aren't, but the vibe of this thread already makes it obvious that argument to that end would be fruitless.
  - iinnPP 4y ago
    I would honestly say that anyone linking the goblin behaviour to human behaviour is the racist/prejudice one. Just stop acknowledging that the stereotype is in any way real. Treat it like a child calling you poopiface(which is their best attempt at hurting you btw). That is the ONLY way to beat racism. Even then, racists will be around being racist. The difference is that everyone will treat their opinion the same way they treat the child calling them poopiface. What happens next? The impact of racism is greatly lessened. That is the best case scenario because the only other method involves slavery and reeducation camps. People still murder right? We all agree that is wrong and look at where that gets us. The people who choose to not agree end up where? Right, slavery and reeducation in a camp.

kryogen1c 4y ago

> They're evil and disturbed. I wouldn't say evil, but reading through the comments makes it clear a lot of these people need therapy. Surprisingly, it reminded me a lot of right wingers dressed up in body armor with a rifle that couldn't run a mile to save their life (or the life of the man next to them). Theres a performative element to both; They're LARPing, trying to regain a sense of control and meaning.

TMWNN 4y ago
>I wouldn't say evil, but reading through the comments makes it clear a lot of these people need therapy. Another such example: /u/LibraryLass just caused a colossal mess in /r/asksciencefiction <https://np.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/10wzlb6/drama_in_rasksciencefiction_as_mod_goes_rogue/ https://np.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/10wzlb6/dram...> over Hogwarts Legacy. Not the first time the user has caused such online commotion, a while back receiving a ban from rpg.net. The mods removed the ban after a heartfelt plea ... and quickly regretted it <https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/librarylass-receives-a-%F0%9F%92%80-permanent-ban-no-appeals.855818/ https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/librarylass-receives...>. I wrote on Reddit: >Reading that appeal by LibraryLass at the bottom of the thread, the one that won the unban broke my heart. >That plea for unbanning sounds like LibraryLass basically made rpg.net the center of living, and could not stand any more not being able to participate. LibraryLass's former mod colleagues took pity and revoked the ban despite having concerns about what might happen ... and then LibraryLass, I guess, promptly broke the conditions of said unbanning. >LibraryLass needs help. I hope the recent Reddit drama will cause said person to seek out said help, but I doubt it based on the parting comments I've read through unddit.

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rvz 4y ago

This is just one of many Mastodon instances which are undergoing an extinction event which involves: turning against themselves and destroying each other. This time, it is over a children's video game. It is really amusing to watch this when the world just ignores them and continues to play the Harry Potter wizard video game as usual and are talking about it on Twitter. At the end of the day, there is only a few people that are winning and JK Rowling is one of them, despite not even being directly involved with the game and will earn millions out of it regardless with the complainers wasting their time and winning nothing. This Mastodon instance lives up to it's domain really well: mastodon.lol

TMWNN 4y ago
>This is just one of many Mastodon instances which are undergoing an extinction event which involves: turning against themselves and destroying each other. This is happening elsewhere, too?!? Good grief!

MattDemers 4y ago

I guess my thoughts are: isn't this activism, though? "They are using their time to impart the results that they want. They're developing the tools and implementing them to get their opinions and actions across to as many people as possible." Is someone finding that annoying or distasteful, or thinking "wow, they have a lot of time on their hands" valid reasoning to calling them "evil and disturbed", or are people just not wanting to put the equal amount of effort to resisting/subverting that?

peterashford 4y ago

You're tarring all of Mastodon with a mighty large brush, there.