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Meta: apologies for the hot-button-issue-adjacent submission. I'm much more interested in seeing how the fediverse handles data portability in this sort of rela

by Lammy 4y ago

Meta: apologies for the hot-button-issue-adjacent submission. I'm much more interested in seeing how the fediverse handles data portability in this sort of relatively large-scale shutdown than in trying to make a statement one way or the other on the issue at fault.

fleddr 4y ago
It doesn't. They will lose all their posts. You could say they go the way of the Mastodon.
- SECProto 4y ago
  ? It doesn't transfer your posts, but it does transfer [1] all your followers, follows, bookmarks, mute lists, and block lists. That's still a lot of room for error. What happens if you and a follower transfer your accounts simultaneously? Will they get redirected properly? It is still a good test. [1] https://fedi.tips/transferring-your-mastodon-account-to-another-server/ https://fedi.tips/transferring-your-mastodon-account-to-anot...
  - fleddr 4y ago
    Well, the redirect isn't going to work anyway, because the source server will cease to exist. As for migrating followers, I hear that it's glitchy, people typically lose a portion of their followers when migrating.
defrost 4y ago
To that end; * What tools | methods exist to fetch total members at Mastodon.lol on a daily basis. * Ditto for individual names and their new migrated names. Are any HN users planning to grab data and graph present the diaspora to other instances | falling out of sight?
stereosteve 4y ago
I think nostr is better in this regard: - The "account" primitive is just a key pair, but you can layer more auth requirements on top of that. - All messages are always signed by your key pair end to end. - Server admin can't read your DMs or edit your messages. The worst they can do is see public posts or delete events. - You can move your messages between servers with via piped CLI commands. e.g.: echo '["REQ", "my_mirror_request_id", {"pubkey": "mynpubkey"}]' | websocat -n wss://source | jq -c '[.[0,2]]' -M | websocat wss://destination Anyway I know there are reservations, but ultimately I think it got many of the "account" things right as compared to other fedeverse projects where the "webmaster" is still a big deal. Ideally the server side of things would be unimportant, the clients can offer compelling experiences, and people can create their own internet cul-de-sacs in a more chill way... Maybe nostr is not "the thing" but it's better than the mastodon paradigm.
- punkboy5820 4y ago
  i believe nostr falls prey to the same reasons internet v1.0 largely failed. no one hosts their own blog anymore because consolidation (the likes of squarespace) offer powerful alternatives that give non-internet savvy users understanding of how to navigate globalized society. i believe in "can but won't fork" mentality is better than this. - The "account" primitive is just a key pair, but you can layer more auth requirements on top of that. all of crypto is like this already - All messages are always signed by your key pair end to end. same - Server admin can't read your DMs or edit your messages. The worst they can do is see public posts or delete events. ok, don't trust bad software? - You can move your messages between servers with via piped CLI commands. this is cool, but seems like implementation detail
  - stereosteve 4y ago
    I don’t disagree. RSS has most of these features and was pretty popular 15 years ago. My point is that key pairs and signed posts is a good primitive if things are to be re homed and retransmitted.
Saris 4y ago
It has none, mastodon is not mature or functional enough to be useful for most people.

by Lammy 4y ago

fleddr 4y ago

It doesn't. They will lose all their posts. You could say they go the way of the Mastodon.

SECProto 4y ago
? It doesn't transfer your posts, but it does transfer [1] all your followers, follows, bookmarks, mute lists, and block lists. That's still a lot of room for error. What happens if you and a follower transfer your accounts simultaneously? Will they get redirected properly? It is still a good test. [1] https://fedi.tips/transferring-your-mastodon-account-to-another-server/ https://fedi.tips/transferring-your-mastodon-account-to-anot...
- fleddr 4y ago
  Well, the redirect isn't going to work anyway, because the source server will cease to exist. As for migrating followers, I hear that it's glitchy, people typically lose a portion of their followers when migrating.

defrost 4y ago

To that end; * What tools | methods exist to fetch total members at Mastodon.lol on a daily basis. * Ditto for individual names and their new migrated names. Are any HN users planning to grab data and graph present the diaspora to other instances | falling out of sight?

stereosteve 4y ago

I think nostr is better in this regard: - The "account" primitive is just a key pair, but you can layer more auth requirements on top of that. - All messages are always signed by your key pair end to end. - Server admin can't read your DMs or edit your messages. The worst they can do is see public posts or delete events. - You can move your messages between servers with via piped CLI commands. e.g.: echo '["REQ", "my_mirror_request_id", {"pubkey": "mynpubkey"}]' | websocat -n wss://source | jq -c '[.[0,2]]' -M | websocat wss://destination Anyway I know there are reservations, but ultimately I think it got many of the "account" things right as compared to other fedeverse projects where the "webmaster" is still a big deal. Ideally the server side of things would be unimportant, the clients can offer compelling experiences, and people can create their own internet cul-de-sacs in a more chill way... Maybe nostr is not "the thing" but it's better than the mastodon paradigm.

punkboy5820 4y ago
i believe nostr falls prey to the same reasons internet v1.0 largely failed. no one hosts their own blog anymore because consolidation (the likes of squarespace) offer powerful alternatives that give non-internet savvy users understanding of how to navigate globalized society. i believe in "can but won't fork" mentality is better than this. - The "account" primitive is just a key pair, but you can layer more auth requirements on top of that. all of crypto is like this already - All messages are always signed by your key pair end to end. same - Server admin can't read your DMs or edit your messages. The worst they can do is see public posts or delete events. ok, don't trust bad software? - You can move your messages between servers with via piped CLI commands. this is cool, but seems like implementation detail
- stereosteve 4y ago
  I don’t disagree. RSS has most of these features and was pretty popular 15 years ago. My point is that key pairs and signed posts is a good primitive if things are to be re homed and retransmitted.

Saris 4y ago

It has none, mastodon is not mature or functional enough to be useful for most people.