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Anyone both tried duckdb and clickhouse-local?

wenc 4y ago
I use duckdb and looked into clickhouse-local. The dealbreaker for me was that clickhouse-local supported only a subset of SQL (that most people would probably be ok with, but not sufficient for a lot of complex analytics work). For instance, clickhouse doesn't support lead/lag functions natively (though it does propose workarounds). Here's clickhouse's SQL support: https://clickhouse.com/docs/en/sql-reference/ https://clickhouse.com/docs/en/sql-reference/ Compare this to DuckDB's (on the sidebar): https://duckdb.org/docs/sql/introduction https://duckdb.org/docs/sql/introduction DuckDB's SQL coverage is much more complete and matches my experience with full blown databases like Postgres and Redshift. As well, performance-wise DuckDB is currently still somewhat faster than clickhouse-local [1] but I would say this is a secondary consideration -- as long as either is "fast enough for your purposes" this shouldn't be an issue -- and clickhouse is plenty fast. The primary consideration for me would be the SQL support. That said, if you don't use any complex SQL, clickhouse-local seems like it would be a worthy contender. [1] https://benchmark.clickhouse.com/#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 https://benchmark.clickhouse.com/#eyJzeXN0ZW0iOnsiQXRoZW5hIC...
- brunoqc 4y ago
  > The dealbreaker for me was that clickhouse-local supported only a subset of SQL Yeah, I think there was some advanced psql stuff that I wanted to do with duckdb but wasn't able, so I can imagine that with clickhouse-local it would be even worse. Not that duckdb isn't enough for me. Now I need to make my mind about duckdb vs nushell. Both are greats. Well I can use both, maybe. Thank you very much!

wenc 4y ago

I use duckdb and looked into clickhouse-local. The dealbreaker for me was that clickhouse-local supported only a subset of SQL (that most people would probably be ok with, but not sufficient for a lot of complex analytics work). For instance, clickhouse doesn't support lead/lag functions natively (though it does propose workarounds). Here's clickhouse's SQL support: https://clickhouse.com/docs/en/sql-reference/ https://clickhouse.com/docs/en/sql-reference/ Compare this to DuckDB's (on the sidebar): https://duckdb.org/docs/sql/introduction https://duckdb.org/docs/sql/introduction DuckDB's SQL coverage is much more complete and matches my experience with full blown databases like Postgres and Redshift. As well, performance-wise DuckDB is currently still somewhat faster than clickhouse-local [1] but I would say this is a secondary consideration -- as long as either is "fast enough for your purposes" this shouldn't be an issue -- and clickhouse is plenty fast. The primary consideration for me would be the SQL support. That said, if you don't use any complex SQL, clickhouse-local seems like it would be a worthy contender. [1] https://benchmark.clickhouse.com/#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 https://benchmark.clickhouse.com/#eyJzeXN0ZW0iOnsiQXRoZW5hIC...

brunoqc 4y ago
> The dealbreaker for me was that clickhouse-local supported only a subset of SQL Yeah, I think there was some advanced psql stuff that I wanted to do with duckdb but wasn't able, so I can imagine that with clickhouse-local it would be even worse. Not that duckdb isn't enough for me. Now I need to make my mind about duckdb vs nushell. Both are greats. Well I can use both, maybe. Thank you very much!