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And my personal favorite: Street traffic is allowed through Pike Place Market. Every weekend I have a grand old time in the market, watching tourists make the

And my personal favorite: Street traffic is allowed through Pike Place Market. Every weekend I have a grand old time in the market, watching tourists make the worst mistake of their visit, their rental car crawling at 1mph through probably the largest tourist attraction in the PNW.

rootusrootus 4y ago
Right where they throw the fish? I've only been to Pike Place Market a few times, but there's a little road there that looked like an absolute nightmare if you inadvertently turned down it.
- fsckboy 4y ago
  not saying I turn down it every chance I get, and it depends on time/day of week. but there's a good amount of parking with good turnover on that street.
marssaxman 4y ago
Street traffic is allowed through Pike Place Market because the vendors want it that way. The Market is an irreplaceable treasure and I think we generally ought to support the preferences of the people who make it work, for fear of "fixing what ain't broke". How much damage can drivers do at 1 MPH, anyway?
- dag11 4y ago
  Do the vendors specifically want cars as a whole, or specifically their cars and delivery vehicles? We could allow just the latter, and prohibit cars that aren't in service of the market. Similar to the "Healthy Streets." The rules won't be 100% honored of course, but it'd likely reduce a substantial amount of the traffic there. Especially if towing is on the table for non-Market-affiliated cars parked there.
  - bluGill 4y ago
    Probably cars as a whole. Based on other such places (I know nothing about Seattle) they have no clue what cars are costing, but they know some people get there by car so they are scared to lose them.
    - dag11 4y ago
      The parking spots at Pike Place dwarf in comparison to the crowds the market serves. Here's a maps screenshot[1] where I've highlighted the parking available there[2]. Meanwhile the market serves ~10m annual pre-pandemic visitors[3], which averages to 27k daily visitors. The amount of visitors coming in by car are negligible. [1] https://i.imgur.com/HYrANj7.jpg https://i.imgur.com/HYrANj7.jpg [2] https://goo.gl/maps/aqoNGXTLCxgD5XdW7 https://goo.gl/maps/aqoNGXTLCxgD5XdW7 [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pike_Place_Market https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pike_Place_Market
      - ianburrell 4y ago
        There is also a whole parking garage downhill from the market. Much bigger than the parking available out front. It would make a lot of sense to pedestrianize Pike Pl and maybe couple of surrounding streets.
  - doktorhladnjak 4y ago
    The vendors want cars in that street because otherwise pedestrians would walk down it instead of on the narrow sidewalk which goes right by their businesses. They literally want the traffic so that people are more likely to go into their shops.
- QIYGT 4y ago
  Business owners are notoriously terrible at understanding how street usage affects their business. https://www.wired.com/story/the-battle-over-bike-lanes-needs-a-mindset-shift/ https://www.wired.com/story/the-battle-over-bike-lanes-needs...

rootusrootus 4y ago

Right where they throw the fish? I've only been to Pike Place Market a few times, but there's a little road there that looked like an absolute nightmare if you inadvertently turned down it.

fsckboy 4y ago
not saying I turn down it every chance I get, and it depends on time/day of week. but there's a good amount of parking with good turnover on that street.

marssaxman 4y ago

Street traffic is allowed through Pike Place Market because the vendors want it that way. The Market is an irreplaceable treasure and I think we generally ought to support the preferences of the people who make it work, for fear of "fixing what ain't broke". How much damage can drivers do at 1 MPH, anyway?

dag11 4y ago
Do the vendors specifically want cars as a whole, or specifically their cars and delivery vehicles? We could allow just the latter, and prohibit cars that aren't in service of the market. Similar to the "Healthy Streets." The rules won't be 100% honored of course, but it'd likely reduce a substantial amount of the traffic there. Especially if towing is on the table for non-Market-affiliated cars parked there.
- bluGill 4y ago
  Probably cars as a whole. Based on other such places (I know nothing about Seattle) they have no clue what cars are costing, but they know some people get there by car so they are scared to lose them.
  - dag11 4y ago
    The parking spots at Pike Place dwarf in comparison to the crowds the market serves. Here's a maps screenshot[1] where I've highlighted the parking available there[2]. Meanwhile the market serves ~10m annual pre-pandemic visitors[3], which averages to 27k daily visitors. The amount of visitors coming in by car are negligible. [1] https://i.imgur.com/HYrANj7.jpg https://i.imgur.com/HYrANj7.jpg [2] https://goo.gl/maps/aqoNGXTLCxgD5XdW7 https://goo.gl/maps/aqoNGXTLCxgD5XdW7 [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pike_Place_Market https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pike_Place_Market
    - ianburrell 4y ago
      There is also a whole parking garage downhill from the market. Much bigger than the parking available out front. It would make a lot of sense to pedestrianize Pike Pl and maybe couple of surrounding streets.
- doktorhladnjak 4y ago
  The vendors want cars in that street because otherwise pedestrians would walk down it instead of on the narrow sidewalk which goes right by their businesses. They literally want the traffic so that people are more likely to go into their shops.
QIYGT 4y ago
Business owners are notoriously terrible at understanding how street usage affects their business. https://www.wired.com/story/the-battle-over-bike-lanes-needs-a-mindset-shift/ https://www.wired.com/story/the-battle-over-bike-lanes-needs...