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Let me also add these point that everyone seems to want to ignore: NordStream 2 was never put into service. Germany halted it due to the invasion. This was con

by erentz 4y ago

Let me also add these point that everyone seems to want to ignore: NordStream 2 was never put into service. Germany halted it due to the invasion. This was considered a very big deal. At the time of the explosion on 26 Sep there had been no gas flowing on NordStream 1 at all. None! Flows on NS1 were shutdown by Russia on 31 Aug. This came after a series of declining flows from Russia accompanied by various efforts by Russia to get Germany to violate sanctions and persuade other countries to reduce sanctions. It culminated in complete shut off of NS1 and an offer to instead activate NS2 before the explosion (one of those pipes was suspiciously left undamaged). Russia had been trying the blackmail that everyone feared, and Germany resisted it. I've bashed Germany a lot for it's response to the war but the fact is Germany got off Russian gas at huge costs and resisted the blackmail threat. Folks who don't believe this can go view the data in graph form here: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1331710/nord-stream-physical-flows/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/1331710/nord-stream-phys... Or Grab the raw data if you want: https://www.nord-stream.info/ https://www.nord-stream.info/ Germany gas imports from Russia: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1332783/german-gas-imports-from-russia/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/1332783/german-gas-impor...

kubectl_h 4y ago
> (one of those pipes was suspiciously left undamaged). You do not offer any reason for Russia to blow up three of four pipelines just to leave around one.
- sschueller 4y ago
  Most likely because blowing up stuff under water requires a lot of skill and things can go wrong when you have fish and other wildlife around. I am sure they wanted all 4 destroyed.
  - kubectl_h 4y ago
    Literally the same logic can apply to the theory the US did it.
- erentz 4y ago
  Well if you want to consider motives, what I said makes a clear motive IF Russia did it, for them to leave one of the NS2 pipes untouched doesn't it. Because the history was of Russia trying to blackmail Germany and get Germany to turn on NS2. But I didn't claim Russia did it. You know you can suspect the US did it but that doesn't mean you need to promote fake made up stories that defy scrutiny to believe it. You can still search for the actual truth and want to see actual facts presented rather than fiction.
  - kubectl_h 4y ago
    > one of those pipes was suspiciously left undamaged ... > But I didn't claim Russia did it. Give me a break. Anyway, it still doesn't make sense why Russia would blow up 3/4th its capacity to bluff the Germans into using 1/4th the capacity. This a mind boggling silly path in the "search for the actual truth".
- _kbh_ 4y ago
  > You do not offer any reason for Russia to blow up three of four pipelines just to leave around one. Forces the certification and use of Nord stream 2.

by erentz 4y ago

kubectl_h 4y ago

> (one of those pipes was suspiciously left undamaged). You do not offer any reason for Russia to blow up three of four pipelines just to leave around one.

sschueller 4y ago
Most likely because blowing up stuff under water requires a lot of skill and things can go wrong when you have fish and other wildlife around. I am sure they wanted all 4 destroyed.
- kubectl_h 4y ago
  Literally the same logic can apply to the theory the US did it.
erentz 4y ago
Well if you want to consider motives, what I said makes a clear motive IF Russia did it, for them to leave one of the NS2 pipes untouched doesn't it. Because the history was of Russia trying to blackmail Germany and get Germany to turn on NS2. But I didn't claim Russia did it. You know you can suspect the US did it but that doesn't mean you need to promote fake made up stories that defy scrutiny to believe it. You can still search for the actual truth and want to see actual facts presented rather than fiction.
- kubectl_h 4y ago
  > one of those pipes was suspiciously left undamaged ... > But I didn't claim Russia did it. Give me a break. Anyway, it still doesn't make sense why Russia would blow up 3/4th its capacity to bluff the Germans into using 1/4th the capacity. This a mind boggling silly path in the "search for the actual truth".
_kbh_ 4y ago
> You do not offer any reason for Russia to blow up three of four pipelines just to leave around one. Forces the certification and use of Nord stream 2.