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>That is a rhetorical tactic that kind of misses the point - it's not that weapons reactors produce fundamentally leakier waste than civilian reactors, it's tha

>That is a rhetorical tactic that kind of misses the point - it's not that weapons reactors produce fundamentally leakier waste than civilian reactors, it's that the military has a long history of not disposing of dangerous chemicals the right way. It happens with non-radioactive toxic waste too and a lot of bases and the areas around them are contaminated. No, it's a plain statement, not a "tactic". Power plant waste is different from weapons waste, and disposing of power plant waste has never been a real problem. She's talking about power plant waste because one major barrier to replacing climate changing coal fired power plants is the usual indoctrination people face regarding nuclear waste, with no distinction drawn between power plants and nuclear weapons waste. Talking about weapons reactors or the military not disposing of chemicals properly is entirely irrelevant to the article and the discussion at hand.

whatshisface 4y ago
>Power plant waste is different from weapons waste, and disposing of power plant waste has never been a real problem. If power plant waste was handled as badly as weapons waste was historically, it would be a problem. That's all I am saying, really.
- Accujack 4y ago
  Yes, but that's irrelevant. If prescription drugs were handled as badly as weapons waste was historically, it would be a problem too. Same for e.g. plastic waste, food waste, or just about anything else. Military developing weapons tends to make a mess, which is why most countries are trying to change that.
Schroedingersat 4y ago
Separating plutonium is separating plutonium. It's filthy no matter why you do it, and the past military fuckups are used to cover for the ongoing civilian fuckups. This is conveniently forgotten whenever the subject of breeders is used to deflect from the lack of U235
dirkt 4y ago
> disposing of power plant waste has never been a real problem. Germany has been trying to find a location to safely dispose power plant waste for about 40 years or so. All the solutions so far didn't work out [1], they are still searching. If you have a recommendation that actually works, I am sure they'd be happy to hear it... [1] https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endlager_(Kerntechnik)#Endlagerung_radioaktiver_Abfälle_in_Deutschland https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endlager_(Kerntechnik)#Endlage...
- natmaka 4y ago
  The "Asse II" mine case: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asse_II_mine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asse_II_mine
  - Retric 4y ago
    For the period 1906 to 1988, when Asse II was an operational salt mine, there were 29 documented water breaches.[27] They were sometimes successfully sealed off, partly dry or sometimes with negligible inflows (less than 0.5 cubic metres (130 US gal) per day).[28] Between 1988 and 2008 32 new entry points were recorded. In 1996, the BFS notified the Bundesumweltministerium that there was a risk of severe radioactive contamination if the mine ran full of water and that further investigation was urgently required. Hardly a long term solution.

whatshisface 4y ago

>Power plant waste is different from weapons waste, and disposing of power plant waste has never been a real problem. If power plant waste was handled as badly as weapons waste was historically, it would be a problem. That's all I am saying, really.

Accujack 4y ago
Yes, but that's irrelevant. If prescription drugs were handled as badly as weapons waste was historically, it would be a problem too. Same for e.g. plastic waste, food waste, or just about anything else. Military developing weapons tends to make a mess, which is why most countries are trying to change that.

Schroedingersat 4y ago

Separating plutonium is separating plutonium. It's filthy no matter why you do it, and the past military fuckups are used to cover for the ongoing civilian fuckups. This is conveniently forgotten whenever the subject of breeders is used to deflect from the lack of U235

dirkt 4y ago

> disposing of power plant waste has never been a real problem. Germany has been trying to find a location to safely dispose power plant waste for about 40 years or so. All the solutions so far didn't work out [1], they are still searching. If you have a recommendation that actually works, I am sure they'd be happy to hear it... [1] https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endlager_(Kerntechnik)#Endlagerung_radioaktiver_Abfälle_in_Deutschland https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endlager_(Kerntechnik)#Endlage...

natmaka 4y ago
The "Asse II" mine case: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asse_II_mine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asse_II_mine
- Retric 4y ago
  For the period 1906 to 1988, when Asse II was an operational salt mine, there were 29 documented water breaches.[27] They were sometimes successfully sealed off, partly dry or sometimes with negligible inflows (less than 0.5 cubic metres (130 US gal) per day).[28] Between 1988 and 2008 32 new entry points were recorded. In 1996, the BFS notified the Bundesumweltministerium that there was a risk of severe radioactive contamination if the mine ran full of water and that further investigation was urgently required. Hardly a long term solution.