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France was strongarmed by Germany and by shitty election related deals to elect Hollande into massive nuclear power closures and reductions, coupled with presid

France was strongarmed by Germany and by shitty election related deals to elect Hollande into massive nuclear power closures and reductions, coupled with presidents unable to see more than 5 years ahead means that nuclear plants both do not get renewed and also get closed for absolutely no reason. See Fessenheim. The issue with construction isn't that it's hard to build a safe power plant, it's that there's been no will from anyone, or active harm from incompetent shitheads.

Krasnol 4y ago
Hollande wanted to diversify France because it's not and they had to pay for this stupidity and still do to this day. Fessenheim is the perfect reason for why Hollande wanted to close some of those plants: old, accident ridden, one of those which have to be closed down in summer due to possible overheating of nearby rivers and to top that off: it's in a region which may have earthquakes for which it is not prepared... > The issue with construction isn't that it's hard to build a safe power plant, it's that there's been no will from anyone, or active harm from incompetent shitheads. Weird because there are plenty western countries which do have popular support for nuclear energy but still struggle with construction times and costs in astronomical ways.
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- ohgodplsno 4y ago
  Fessenheim was amongst the top performing nuclear plants, and had no issues being given a 10 year renewal because of how safe it was before it was closed for political reasons. The EELV/Die Grunde kool-aid is not a good thing to drink considering how anti science they are. And as always, the same awful arguments about "don't overheat the rivers", when the limits set by the safety regulations are way under anything that could damage the environment. You could triple the output heat in the river and it would change absolutely nothing. Hollande did not want to diversify our energy production. It was a purely political play to get EELV's support and used Fessenheim as a sacrificial chip. Glad to see the German energiewende led to such diversification that you're running half your country on coal right now btw. https://app.electricitymaps.com/zone/DE https://app.electricitymaps.com/zone/DE
  - Krasnol 4y ago
    > essenheim was amongst the top performing nuclear plants, and had no issues being given a 10 year renewal because of how safe it was That is false. It was an old and accident ridden plant. > And as always, the same awful arguments about "don't overheat the rivers", when the limits set by the safety regulations are way under anything Luckily those limits are set by people who know what they're doing and not the nuclear astroturf online. > Hollande did not want to diversify our energy production. It was a purely political play to get EELV's support and used Fessenheim as a sacrificial chip. That's pure propaganda from the opposite political spectrum and is not even worth the discussion anymore at this point. > Glad to see the German energiewende led to such diversification that you're running half your country on coal right now btw. https://app.electricitymaps.com/zone/DE https://app.electricitymaps.com/zone/DE We even had to get some coal plants back from retirement (just like you did) because your rotting nuclear fleet isn't performing and it's cold outside. You're welcome :)
  - wirrbel 4y ago
    Energiewende was cancelled by the Merkel governments in favour of nuclear until they made a turnaround with regards to nuclear after Fukushima.
    - natmaka 4y ago
      Exactly, the phase-out plan was initially delayed in late 2010: the government decreed a 12-year delay of the schedule. Then something unpleasant happened at Fukushima. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power_in_Germany#Closures_and_phase-out https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power_in_Germany#Closu...

Krasnol 4y ago

Hollande wanted to diversify France because it's not and they had to pay for this stupidity and still do to this day. Fessenheim is the perfect reason for why Hollande wanted to close some of those plants: old, accident ridden, one of those which have to be closed down in summer due to possible overheating of nearby rivers and to top that off: it's in a region which may have earthquakes for which it is not prepared... > The issue with construction isn't that it's hard to build a safe power plant, it's that there's been no will from anyone, or active harm from incompetent shitheads. Weird because there are plenty western countries which do have popular support for nuclear energy but still struggle with construction times and costs in astronomical ways.

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ohgodplsno 4y ago
Fessenheim was amongst the top performing nuclear plants, and had no issues being given a 10 year renewal because of how safe it was before it was closed for political reasons. The EELV/Die Grunde kool-aid is not a good thing to drink considering how anti science they are. And as always, the same awful arguments about "don't overheat the rivers", when the limits set by the safety regulations are way under anything that could damage the environment. You could triple the output heat in the river and it would change absolutely nothing. Hollande did not want to diversify our energy production. It was a purely political play to get EELV's support and used Fessenheim as a sacrificial chip. Glad to see the German energiewende led to such diversification that you're running half your country on coal right now btw. https://app.electricitymaps.com/zone/DE https://app.electricitymaps.com/zone/DE
- Krasnol 4y ago
  > essenheim was amongst the top performing nuclear plants, and had no issues being given a 10 year renewal because of how safe it was That is false. It was an old and accident ridden plant. > And as always, the same awful arguments about "don't overheat the rivers", when the limits set by the safety regulations are way under anything Luckily those limits are set by people who know what they're doing and not the nuclear astroturf online. > Hollande did not want to diversify our energy production. It was a purely political play to get EELV's support and used Fessenheim as a sacrificial chip. That's pure propaganda from the opposite political spectrum and is not even worth the discussion anymore at this point. > Glad to see the German energiewende led to such diversification that you're running half your country on coal right now btw. https://app.electricitymaps.com/zone/DE https://app.electricitymaps.com/zone/DE We even had to get some coal plants back from retirement (just like you did) because your rotting nuclear fleet isn't performing and it's cold outside. You're welcome :)
- wirrbel 4y ago
  Energiewende was cancelled by the Merkel governments in favour of nuclear until they made a turnaround with regards to nuclear after Fukushima.
  - natmaka 4y ago
    Exactly, the phase-out plan was initially delayed in late 2010: the government decreed a 12-year delay of the schedule. Then something unpleasant happened at Fukushima. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power_in_Germany#Closures_and_phase-out https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power_in_Germany#Closu...