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Are there examples of sites/platforms that are doing it "right"? (however you interpret 'right' to be, I guess). Ones that have been around for a while and have

Are there examples of sites/platforms that are doing it "right"? (however you interpret 'right' to be, I guess). Ones that have been around for a while and haven't enshittified?

zem 4y ago
hm, maybe the crowdfunding platforms like kickstarter and indiegogo? as far as I know those haven't started down the curve yet. but I would guess it's inevitable once you take vc money and are beholden to your investors to squeeze out every drop of revenue you can :( it would require a really strong mission statement baked into the company to say "we are here to provide value to our users and everything else has to come second to that". if nothing else you eventually get acquired, e.g. tumblr, and everything goes to hell then.
- newaccount74 4y ago
  Kickstarter and Indiegogo have quite a few charlatans selling a tech version of snake oil, and they don't care because they get 10% (or whatever their fees are).
  - 0cf8612b2e1e 4y ago
    I am not sure how much vetting you want the platform to do? If someone says they can synthesize gasoline from air for $.02/liter, should Kickstarter shut it down? Send a guy to investigate? Where does the arbitrary this-is-probably-wrong line land?
    - delecti 4y ago
      Well that example wouldn't be allowed on Kickstarter, because they require a prototype to exist for electronics campaigns. I think that's a fairly reasonable arbitrarily chosen line.
  - HWR_14 4y ago
    I don't think Kickstarter "doesn't care", they just don't care enough to proactively find out. Indiegogo will keep outright scams up. Kickstarter says "eh, someone will flag it if it is a scam"
robotnikman 4y ago
Not sure if it counts, but Steam maybe?
ALittleLight 4y ago
Hacker News
bartvk 4y ago
Slashdot?
- TedDoesntTalk 4y ago
  lol
  - doctor_eval 4y ago
    Freshmeat?
  - bartvk 4y ago
    I wasn't joking, actually. I still visit Slashdot, though not as often. Ownership has changed over the years, but in principle, the site its features haven't changed.
geerlingguy 4y ago
Craigslist
heleninboodler 4y ago
Bandcamp, although many are holding their breath since the Epic takeover.
walterbell 4y ago
https://NeoCities.org https://NeoCities.org, free static hosting, $5/mo for higher storage/traffic limits. https://Groups.io https://Groups.io (rebooted Yahoo Groups).
TedDoesntTalk 4y ago
http://Wordpress.com http://Wordpress.com (not.org)

Are there examples of sites/platforms that are doing it "right"? (however you interpret 'right' to be, I guess). Ones that have been around for a while and haven't enshittified?

zem 4y ago

hm, maybe the crowdfunding platforms like kickstarter and indiegogo? as far as I know those haven't started down the curve yet. but I would guess it's inevitable once you take vc money and are beholden to your investors to squeeze out every drop of revenue you can :( it would require a really strong mission statement baked into the company to say "we are here to provide value to our users and everything else has to come second to that". if nothing else you eventually get acquired, e.g. tumblr, and everything goes to hell then.

newaccount74 4y ago
Kickstarter and Indiegogo have quite a few charlatans selling a tech version of snake oil, and they don't care because they get 10% (or whatever their fees are).
- 0cf8612b2e1e 4y ago
  I am not sure how much vetting you want the platform to do? If someone says they can synthesize gasoline from air for $.02/liter, should Kickstarter shut it down? Send a guy to investigate? Where does the arbitrary this-is-probably-wrong line land?
  - delecti 4y ago
    Well that example wouldn't be allowed on Kickstarter, because they require a prototype to exist for electronics campaigns. I think that's a fairly reasonable arbitrarily chosen line.
- HWR_14 4y ago
  I don't think Kickstarter "doesn't care", they just don't care enough to proactively find out. Indiegogo will keep outright scams up. Kickstarter says "eh, someone will flag it if it is a scam"

robotnikman 4y ago

Not sure if it counts, but Steam maybe?

ALittleLight 4y ago

Hacker News

bartvk 4y ago

Slashdot?

TedDoesntTalk 4y ago
lol
- doctor_eval 4y ago
  Freshmeat?
- bartvk 4y ago
  I wasn't joking, actually. I still visit Slashdot, though not as often. Ownership has changed over the years, but in principle, the site its features haven't changed.

geerlingguy 4y ago

Craigslist

heleninboodler 4y ago

Bandcamp, although many are holding their breath since the Epic takeover.

walterbell 4y ago

https://NeoCities.org https://NeoCities.org, free static hosting, $5/mo for higher storage/traffic limits. https://Groups.io https://Groups.io (rebooted Yahoo Groups).

TedDoesntTalk 4y ago

http://Wordpress.com http://Wordpress.com (not.org)