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https://bendmagazine.com/foam-on-the-range/ https://bendmagazine.com/foam-on-the-range/ Looks like Clark is doing ok!

by orf 4y ago

mlyle 4y ago
Reading the article, I thought Clark's actions were completely unjustified, etc. But it really seems he did quit because of a protracted dispute with local fire and air quality district personnel that was escalated to the EPA. The threat of massive fines was looming bigger and bigger, and the letter he writes just exudes desperation that he didn't feel he could reach compliance.
- JohnFen 4y ago
  As the article says, nobody really took issue with him quitting. They took issue with him pulling a scorched-earth approach on his way out.
  - mlyle 4y ago
    His letter explains that he wasn't selling tooling because he feared downstream liability.
    - KennyBlanken 4y ago
      ...which utter nonsense. Terms of sale include zero liability. Done, solved. No, this man was just petulant that after decades of not following employment/environmental/fire regulations, he was finally being held to them...and his answer was to burn everything to the ground out of petulance.
      - mlyle 4y ago
        > Terms of sale include zero liability. Done, solved. Dude, if I sell contaminated goods to person B, person B can sign a release that they won't sue me... but they can't promise that person C or government D won't. Even if they indemnify me, it doesn't necessarily mean I'm off the hook.
  - retcond 4y ago
    I'm much more in in why nobody is apparently interested in the history of anti competitive business practices including product dumping and downstream supply chain hostage taking, that this article almost implies have been accepted eccentricities of Clark for reasons unspecified but implied to have something of a cult worship element involved.
  - jessaustin 4y ago
    The shapers who bought the blanks and their customers in turn share his responsibility for whatever environmental damage his manufacturing caused. Any inconvenience they suffered was deserved. Polluters love to run this "won't somebody think of the customers?!" bullshit to defend the indefensible.
- KennyBlanken 4y ago
  So you think it's justified to have a petulant attitude when you're expected to follow employment, fire safety, and environmental regulations? If he was happy to drop his prices to dump his product to force out competitors, than he should have been happy to accept the additional costs of complying with workplace, fire safety, and environmental regulations everyone else has to comply with. Oh wait...he wasn'. Or he could have raised his prices. But then, he would have actually had to compete on product quality, and it's clear the only thing he really had going for him was that shapers were used to his product and it was cheap. Since he's closed up, the market has undergone substantial innovation and improvement, including Literally nothing stopped him from pursuing partnerships to develop and produce more environmentally friendly products, but that's a lot less fun than simply being yet another whiny, entitled boomer.
  - mlyle 4y ago
    > So you think it's justified to have a petulant attitude when you're expected to follow employment, fire safety, and environmental regulations? I mean exactly what I said, not the words you're cramming in my mouth. The letter he wrote acknowledges the regulations are important and that the enforcement approach taken by authorities are justified. It also makes it clear that he has tried to comply, and is concerned that he had no viable path towards compliance, and potential unbounded liability if he got it wrong. And he got scared and bolted. > but that's a lot less fun than simply being yet another whiny, entitled boomer. Nice slur. He was actually a member of the silent generation. It seems like you're really upset about all this, throwing around insults and "petulant" in your comments and leaving multiple incomplete sentences around.

https://bendmagazine.com/foam-on-the-range/ https://bendmagazine.com/foam-on-the-range/ Looks like Clark is doing ok!

by orf 4y ago

https://bendmagazine.com/foam-on-the-range/ https://bendmagazine.com/foam-on-the-range/ Looks like Clark is doing ok!

Reading the article, I thought Clark's actions were completely unjustified, etc. But it really seems he did quit because of a protracted dispute with local fire and air quality district personnel that was escalated to the EPA. The threat of massive fines was looming bigger and bigger, and the letter he writes just exudes desperation that he didn't feel he could reach compliance.

JohnFen 4y ago
As the article says, nobody really took issue with him quitting. They took issue with him pulling a scorched-earth approach on his way out.
- mlyle 4y ago
  His letter explains that he wasn't selling tooling because he feared downstream liability.
  - KennyBlanken 4y ago
    ...which utter nonsense. Terms of sale include zero liability. Done, solved. No, this man was just petulant that after decades of not following employment/environmental/fire regulations, he was finally being held to them...and his answer was to burn everything to the ground out of petulance.
    - mlyle 4y ago
      > Terms of sale include zero liability. Done, solved. Dude, if I sell contaminated goods to person B, person B can sign a release that they won't sue me... but they can't promise that person C or government D won't. Even if they indemnify me, it doesn't necessarily mean I'm off the hook.
- retcond 4y ago
  I'm much more in in why nobody is apparently interested in the history of anti competitive business practices including product dumping and downstream supply chain hostage taking, that this article almost implies have been accepted eccentricities of Clark for reasons unspecified but implied to have something of a cult worship element involved.
- jessaustin 4y ago
  The shapers who bought the blanks and their customers in turn share his responsibility for whatever environmental damage his manufacturing caused. Any inconvenience they suffered was deserved. Polluters love to run this "won't somebody think of the customers?!" bullshit to defend the indefensible.
KennyBlanken 4y ago
So you think it's justified to have a petulant attitude when you're expected to follow employment, fire safety, and environmental regulations? If he was happy to drop his prices to dump his product to force out competitors, than he should have been happy to accept the additional costs of complying with workplace, fire safety, and environmental regulations everyone else has to comply with. Oh wait...he wasn'. Or he could have raised his prices. But then, he would have actually had to compete on product quality, and it's clear the only thing he really had going for him was that shapers were used to his product and it was cheap. Since he's closed up, the market has undergone substantial innovation and improvement, including Literally nothing stopped him from pursuing partnerships to develop and produce more environmentally friendly products, but that's a lot less fun than simply being yet another whiny, entitled boomer.
- mlyle 4y ago
  > So you think it's justified to have a petulant attitude when you're expected to follow employment, fire safety, and environmental regulations? I mean exactly what I said, not the words you're cramming in my mouth. The letter he wrote acknowledges the regulations are important and that the enforcement approach taken by authorities are justified. It also makes it clear that he has tried to comply, and is concerned that he had no viable path towards compliance, and potential unbounded liability if he got it wrong. And he got scared and bolted. > but that's a lot less fun than simply being yet another whiny, entitled boomer. Nice slur. He was actually a member of the silent generation. It seems like you're really upset about all this, throwing around insults and "petulant" in your comments and leaving multiple incomplete sentences around.