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I think it's possible that we lost this because, while people do genuinely like it, they like quiet, space, and privacy more.
by dabbledash 4y ago
I think it's possible that we lost this because, while people do genuinely like it, they like quiet, space, and privacy more.
- nicoburns 4y agoI live within 30 seconds walk of 2 cafes, 2 grocery shops, and a pub (I can see them down the street from my window as I type this). And you literally can't hear them from my house. There's also a primary school nearby which occasionally gets noisy, but there's no noise from the shops.
- kortilla 4y agoWhat? It takes 30 seconds to walk across the street
- ryukafalz 4y agoA very wide street, maybe. Not the sort you're likely to have in a 15 minute city. :)
- rovolo 4y agoIt takes a lot longer to walk across a street when you have to wait for a walk signal. City streets can be 1.5-2 lane residential streets which you can cross basically on demand, making them equivalent in time to walking on the sidewalk. Based on an average walking pace of 1.33 m/s (3.0 mph), you can cover 40m in 30 seconds. https://www.google.com/maps/@47.6243731,-122.3250919,18.81z https://www.google.com/maps/@47.6243731,-122.3250919,18.81z The blocks in this section of Seattle are ~80m long, so one block takes 60s to walk. The "Mercer on Summit" apartments on this map are within 1/2 block (30s) from 3 restaurants, 2 bars, and 1 small grocery.
- nicoburns 4y agoI also have to walk along the street a little, and cross a small road that intersects my road. It's still probably less than 30 seconds, but it's close enough. It's 30 seconds if you include walking down the stairs inside my house, slipping my shoes on, etc.
- jethro_tell 4y agoI don't think you can broadly make that statement and back it up with data. Some people do in fact like space and privacy, some really don't care. I'm one of the latter and I enjoy having no yard and neighbors.
- duxup 4y agoIs there something that tells us that those traits are specific to white people?
- dabbledash 4y agoI think you misread me? I said "while people like those things" Maybe you read "white people like those things"?
- duxup 4y agoYup, my bad. TY
- Zagill 4y agoMost of the noise I hear from my apartment in a medium-density neighborhood, like 95% of it, is just car traffic. Big noisy trucks and people on Harleys, people honking at each other as they try to leave a parking lot, all that. Building spread out unwalkable areas creates way more noise than the opposite. What is true, however, is that this design was mostly created for the benefit of suburbanites who live in isolated communities with no readily accessible amenities besides a road into the city. Their peace and quiet comes at the expense of mine, and especially at the expense of lower income communities which often exist in the noisiest, most car-heavy parts of the city.