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I haven't used Jira for 5y so my opinion might be off, but I think it's a case where the tool takes the blame for the organization that buys it. Jira is extreme

I haven't used Jira for 5y so my opinion might be off, but I think it's a case where the tool takes the blame for the organization that buys it. Jira is extremely configurable, it simply becomes a materialization of bureaucracy and micromanaging. If you remove Jira, bureaucracy wilk still be there.

mnd999 4y ago
Absolutely, that’s why we need opinionated tooling.
- liow4s 4y ago
  Exactly, and that's what I am trying to build.
miroljub 4y ago
Exactly. Out of the box Jira is pretty usable, but if you go wild with defining crazy workflows and screen, the experience can become awful.
nicoburns 4y ago
JIRA is still awful separately from that just in terms of implementation quality. It's SO slow. Just clicking around opening issues has a noticable delay, and typing in the textboxes to edit issues is laggy!
nerdix 4y ago
And that's the problem with Jira. It tries to be everything to everyone. Allowing every middle manager to hand craft their own little snowflake dev process. That's almost always a bad idea.
ghusto 4y ago
Aside from the argument that it's enabling terrible practices — which I could go on about for a good few hours — the tool itself is awful. I mean it's criminally bad at what it even tries to do, putting aside the fact that what it tries to do is wrong in the first place. I want to change an "issue" to an "epic", and I'm presented with a workflow more becoming a database migration, which of course, isn't far from the truth. They've made their poor design choices your problem, so when you want to do something like this, what you're actually presented with is all the complexity of migrating data from one database table to another with different fields. That's just one example, but I can tell I'm ranting already. I hate Atlassian _so fucking much_ though. It says enough that it's not marketed to people who do the work, but those who "manage" their work, where no management is needed. May it and Atlassian burn in hell for a long time. Amen.
- liow4s 4y ago
  Ok so we agree on that. Hope you like AJIR then.

mnd999 4y ago

Absolutely, that’s why we need opinionated tooling.

liow4s 4y ago
Exactly, and that's what I am trying to build.

miroljub 4y ago

Exactly. Out of the box Jira is pretty usable, but if you go wild with defining crazy workflows and screen, the experience can become awful.

nicoburns 4y ago

JIRA is still awful separately from that just in terms of implementation quality. It's SO slow. Just clicking around opening issues has a noticable delay, and typing in the textboxes to edit issues is laggy!

nerdix 4y ago

And that's the problem with Jira. It tries to be everything to everyone. Allowing every middle manager to hand craft their own little snowflake dev process. That's almost always a bad idea.

ghusto 4y ago

Aside from the argument that it's enabling terrible practices — which I could go on about for a good few hours — the tool itself is awful. I mean it's criminally bad at what it even tries to do, putting aside the fact that what it tries to do is wrong in the first place. I want to change an "issue" to an "epic", and I'm presented with a workflow more becoming a database migration, which of course, isn't far from the truth. They've made their poor design choices your problem, so when you want to do something like this, what you're actually presented with is all the complexity of migrating data from one database table to another with different fields. That's just one example, but I can tell I'm ranting already. I hate Atlassian _so fucking much_ though. It says enough that it's not marketed to people who do the work, but those who "manage" their work, where no management is needed. May it and Atlassian burn in hell for a long time. Amen.

liow4s 4y ago
Ok so we agree on that. Hope you like AJIR then.