>You're pigeon holing engineering to only the practice performed by licenced professionals It's a joke that most of us heard in one form or another back in Uni

>You're pigeon holing engineering to only the practice performed by licenced professionals It's a joke that most of us heard in one form or another back in Uni. I'm sure it's been repeated for centuries before the word "software" was first uttered But then we all were studying some kind of Engineering, and only a very specific subset of us expected not to need a license after graduation... funnily enough, only that same subset didn't have to learn the core subjects that "all" engineers have to learn (tee hee) >which is not true for the meaning of "engineering" as a whole so I don't agree with your premise a priori As long as you are happy to call duct taping some damaged mechanical part "engineering" too, at which point why bother with the expression? >I agree that it isn't hard engineering but... Is it needed for these cases? I agree. But then I don't feel the need to call it engineering when it has very little to do with everything else goes by the same name >a lot of smaller companies are still in the tinkering phase A lot of big companies are still in the tinkering phase too - I've briefly worked for a certain big bank, and I live with someone that works for a certain health org that moves tens of billions of dollars every year. Their level of engineering is a joke too The discipline itself isn't mature enough to warrant the name engineering. Additionally, it's incredibly amusing how much resistance the actual practicing professionals have against changes that would nudge the discipline towards warranting the name We live in the wild west, act like cowboys, want to continue acting like cowboys, have the responsibility level of cowboys, and expect to be called engineers. Presumably because being called an "engineer" makes you sound legit