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In some nations some political decisions are consensus (e.g. NHS in UK, Russia as an enemy in Ukraine) Nation can be seen as an consensus ideology and if you s

In some nations some political decisions are consensus (e.g. NHS in UK, Russia as an enemy in Ukraine) Nation can be seen as an consensus ideology and if you share some opinions you can get along better on other topics.

luckylion 4y ago
Sure, and some political decisions have broad consensus in the US as well, e.g. Medicaid. But that really doesn't say much, because other topics are different and the NHS being broadly accepted doesn't help with collectivism vs individualism, pro/anti-EU etc.
- snowpid 4y ago
  to refer back to my original point: Other nations have a more common ground so the study result might not apply to other countries. I think I showed enough reasonable arguments for that potencial case.
TeMPOraL 4y ago
> Nation can be seen as an consensus ideology and if you share some opinions you can get along better on other topics. In some sense, it's the job of public education, particularly through the curricula of history and $local-official-language, to establish that consensus ideology - to create unity by exposing everyone to the same large landscape of stories, opinions and beliefs, so that any two people of a nation can quickly establish some common ground between themselves and get along.
- luckylion 4y ago
  > to create unity by exposing everyone to the same large landscape of stories, opinions and beliefs Or, in other words: to the same reality (it doesn't matter whether it's factually accurate, only that it's widely shared). Is there a way back to more shared reality without one side wiping out the other? A common threat that just makes the differences in perception meaningless next to the shared perception of that threat? Aliens invading would probably help, at least temporarily. Maybe, if you keep that up for two generations, they'll have forgotten most of the ideological identities that had divided them, and will only rediscover them after some amount of lasting peace?

luckylion 4y ago

Sure, and some political decisions have broad consensus in the US as well, e.g. Medicaid. But that really doesn't say much, because other topics are different and the NHS being broadly accepted doesn't help with collectivism vs individualism, pro/anti-EU etc.

snowpid 4y ago
to refer back to my original point: Other nations have a more common ground so the study result might not apply to other countries. I think I showed enough reasonable arguments for that potencial case.

TeMPOraL 4y ago

> Nation can be seen as an consensus ideology and if you share some opinions you can get along better on other topics. In some sense, it's the job of public education, particularly through the curricula of history and $local-official-language, to establish that consensus ideology - to create unity by exposing everyone to the same large landscape of stories, opinions and beliefs, so that any two people of a nation can quickly establish some common ground between themselves and get along.

luckylion 4y ago
> to create unity by exposing everyone to the same large landscape of stories, opinions and beliefs Or, in other words: to the same reality (it doesn't matter whether it's factually accurate, only that it's widely shared). Is there a way back to more shared reality without one side wiping out the other? A common threat that just makes the differences in perception meaningless next to the shared perception of that threat? Aliens invading would probably help, at least temporarily. Maybe, if you keep that up for two generations, they'll have forgotten most of the ideological identities that had divided them, and will only rediscover them after some amount of lasting peace?