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The article says that the full gameplay is not possible yet because of shortages of chips that were intended to be used in the construction. So it is a work in

The article says that the full gameplay is not possible yet because of shortages of chips that were intended to be used in the construction. So it is a work in progress, apparently. That is most likely why there's not a good gameplay video.

Aardwolf 4y ago
Chips doesn't sound like electromechanical to me? If something with chips counts as electromechanical, then e.g. a flight simulator or racing game with force feedback joystick and seat is a way more complex electromechanical game
- ElfinTrousers 4y ago
  I'd say the difference is, in that flight simulator you could take away the electromechanical elements and still have a fully playable and enjoyable game. Having the electromechanical elements enhances the experience, but isn't necessary. Pinball, though, electrically controlled machinery is an inherent part of the game.
- michaelteter 4y ago
  The parent post complained about the limited video of gameplay. And my response was about that video. I said nothing about whether the game was or was not truly "electro-mechanical". That said, I do think it's unfortunate that HN discussions tend so often to focus on these sorts of disagreements rather than focusing on the achievement or creations being shown. This is not a court room, where exacting definitions and adherence to them is so important.
  - nuclearnice1 4y ago
    > I said nothing about whether the game was or was not truly "electro-mechanical". Indeed you did not. Likewise no one “accused” you of that grievous transgression. As a this is not a courtroom, perhaps it was more an observation than a charge to be defended. Chips you say? Reminds me, chips aren’t technically electromechanical are they? No no friend, they are not! In fact, it contains 17 computers . 17 computers, but only 12k lines of source? Yes feels low,… And so on, like a conversation? Where the contradictions are not accusation but invitation.
- mrWiz 4y ago
  ICs can absolutely be used in electromechanical systems. Controlling motors, fans, or solenoids are a few examples. Force feedback in a joystick doesn't strike me as "mechanical" enough to count as "electromechanical" though.
- thedaly 4y ago
  > In any case, it's still an incredibly complex setup. According to Cavatorta, Dual Coincidence incorporates 17 computers (running about 12,000 lines of code), six servo motors, 10 optical sensors, 12 rotary encoders, 35 inductive sensors, 75 switches, 115 solenoid actuators and 704 channels of lighting.
- rtkwe 4y ago
  Depends on what the chips are. There are chips that are just a number of logic circuits duplicated in a single DIP package for convenience. I'd still class things like that as electromechanical since it's all still deeply hardware based.
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Aardwolf 4y ago

Chips doesn't sound like electromechanical to me? If something with chips counts as electromechanical, then e.g. a flight simulator or racing game with force feedback joystick and seat is a way more complex electromechanical game

ElfinTrousers 4y ago
I'd say the difference is, in that flight simulator you could take away the electromechanical elements and still have a fully playable and enjoyable game. Having the electromechanical elements enhances the experience, but isn't necessary. Pinball, though, electrically controlled machinery is an inherent part of the game.
michaelteter 4y ago
The parent post complained about the limited video of gameplay. And my response was about that video. I said nothing about whether the game was or was not truly "electro-mechanical". That said, I do think it's unfortunate that HN discussions tend so often to focus on these sorts of disagreements rather than focusing on the achievement or creations being shown. This is not a court room, where exacting definitions and adherence to them is so important.
- nuclearnice1 4y ago
  > I said nothing about whether the game was or was not truly "electro-mechanical". Indeed you did not. Likewise no one “accused” you of that grievous transgression. As a this is not a courtroom, perhaps it was more an observation than a charge to be defended. Chips you say? Reminds me, chips aren’t technically electromechanical are they? No no friend, they are not! In fact, it contains 17 computers . 17 computers, but only 12k lines of source? Yes feels low,… And so on, like a conversation? Where the contradictions are not accusation but invitation.
mrWiz 4y ago
ICs can absolutely be used in electromechanical systems. Controlling motors, fans, or solenoids are a few examples. Force feedback in a joystick doesn't strike me as "mechanical" enough to count as "electromechanical" though.
thedaly 4y ago
> In any case, it's still an incredibly complex setup. According to Cavatorta, Dual Coincidence incorporates 17 computers (running about 12,000 lines of code), six servo motors, 10 optical sensors, 12 rotary encoders, 35 inductive sensors, 75 switches, 115 solenoid actuators and 704 channels of lighting.
rtkwe 4y ago
Depends on what the chips are. There are chips that are just a number of logic circuits duplicated in a single DIP package for convenience. I'd still class things like that as electromechanical since it's all still deeply hardware based.
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