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gas stoves are bad

by MrMan 4y ago

gas stoves are bad

endemic 4y ago
I don't understand why this is contentious. You're burning gas inside your house.
- mikeyouse 4y ago
  That's what is funny to me too -- they're basically phasing out all furnaces and hot water heaters that aren't direct vent (bringing in combustion air from outside) because it's so problematic to have gas-burning appliances in your home. Yet we just burn gas stoves -- some of which are massive without question... If you were to use all of the burners on this stove on their highest setting, it would consume more BTUs than a 6-ton Furnace! And it just vents into your indoor air: (https://www.homedepot.com/p/Cosmo-36-in-6-0-cu-ft-Commercial-Style-Gas-Range-with-Convection-Oven-in-Stainless-Steel-with-Storage-Drawer-COS-EPGR366/313785880 https://www.homedepot.com/p/Cosmo-36-in-6-0-cu-ft-Commercial...)
  - bluGill 4y ago
    Most commercial stoves require a vented hood. Home depot may not tell you this, but the manual of the stove will.
    - mikeyouse 4y ago
      Apologies that link was broken -- but that was a "Commercial Style" stove for a home, not actually a commercial appliance. In any case vents are a really bad solution.. but they're inefficient at removing fumes, are usually undersized and too far from the cooking surface, and most people don't use them because they're obnoxiously noisy when running at the proper speed. A friend of mine just remodeled their kitchen -- they got all the permits and sign-offs, and their AHJ allowed a gas stove in the island with no venting at all. Inspector told them they should open a window if they were doing a lot of cooking. It's actual madness. https://i.imgur.com/ApCIyzS.png https://i.imgur.com/ApCIyzS.png
      - kortilla 4y ago
        “Solution is bad when you don’t do it!”
        mikeyouse 4y ago
        Is it a "solution" when it's completely optional and rarely done correctly? This whole discussion reminds me of the 80s TV interviews that made the rounds this week about people complaining the government was infringing on their right to have a beer in the car on the way home from work (https://www.tiktok.com/@cali_nostalgia/video/7197042989708053806 https://www.tiktok.com/@cali_nostalgia/video/719704298970805...). "It's my god given right to poison my family with CO and NOx!"
        kortilla 4y ago
        > Is it a "solution" when it's completely optional and rarely done correctly? Yes, because it fucking works. This isn’t some network effect thing where everyone has to do it correctly. It’s like saying diet & exercise isn’t a solution to obesity because it’s completely optional and rarely done correctly. Absolute stupidity.

gas stoves are bad

by MrMan 4y ago

gas stoves are bad

endemic 4y ago

I don't understand why this is contentious. You're burning gas inside your house.

mikeyouse 4y ago
That's what is funny to me too -- they're basically phasing out all furnaces and hot water heaters that aren't direct vent (bringing in combustion air from outside) because it's so problematic to have gas-burning appliances in your home. Yet we just burn gas stoves -- some of which are massive without question... If you were to use all of the burners on this stove on their highest setting, it would consume more BTUs than a 6-ton Furnace! And it just vents into your indoor air: (https://www.homedepot.com/p/Cosmo-36-in-6-0-cu-ft-Commercial-Style-Gas-Range-with-Convection-Oven-in-Stainless-Steel-with-Storage-Drawer-COS-EPGR366/313785880 https://www.homedepot.com/p/Cosmo-36-in-6-0-cu-ft-Commercial...)
- bluGill 4y ago
  Most commercial stoves require a vented hood. Home depot may not tell you this, but the manual of the stove will.
  - mikeyouse 4y ago
    Apologies that link was broken -- but that was a "Commercial Style" stove for a home, not actually a commercial appliance. In any case vents are a really bad solution.. but they're inefficient at removing fumes, are usually undersized and too far from the cooking surface, and most people don't use them because they're obnoxiously noisy when running at the proper speed. A friend of mine just remodeled their kitchen -- they got all the permits and sign-offs, and their AHJ allowed a gas stove in the island with no venting at all. Inspector told them they should open a window if they were doing a lot of cooking. It's actual madness. https://i.imgur.com/ApCIyzS.png https://i.imgur.com/ApCIyzS.png
    - kortilla 4y ago
      “Solution is bad when you don’t do it!”
      - mikeyouse 4y ago
        Is it a "solution" when it's completely optional and rarely done correctly? This whole discussion reminds me of the 80s TV interviews that made the rounds this week about people complaining the government was infringing on their right to have a beer in the car on the way home from work (https://www.tiktok.com/@cali_nostalgia/video/7197042989708053806 https://www.tiktok.com/@cali_nostalgia/video/719704298970805...). "It's my god given right to poison my family with CO and NOx!"
        kortilla 4y ago
        > Is it a "solution" when it's completely optional and rarely done correctly? Yes, because it fucking works. This isn’t some network effect thing where everyone has to do it correctly. It’s like saying diet & exercise isn’t a solution to obesity because it’s completely optional and rarely done correctly. Absolute stupidity.