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Expert with controversial opinions in her area of expertise feels qualified to criticize the work of experts in an area she knows nothing about. EDIT: Turns o

Expert with controversial opinions in her area of expertise feels qualified to criticize the work of experts in an area she knows nothing about. EDIT: Turns out it’s a dyadic regression and Sabine doesn’t know what she is talking about.

abnry 4y ago
I mean, do you honestly think that the graph represents a good linear fit?
- syzarian 4y ago
  The data does not appear to me to represent a function. There is a lot of verticality to the data. It’s doesn’t appear to me to be logistic, exponential, or a higher degree polynomial. What is the best model? I don’t know. I’m not a statistician or a neuroscientist. Maybe they have reasons for doing a linear fit in this case that we aren’t aware of. Typically experts have reasons for what they do and their reasons would seem reasonable to me if I knew what they did.
dopu 4y ago
I don’t know who she is, but you don’t need to be neuroscientist or a statistician to see how laughably bad that correlation claim is.
- syzarian 4y ago
  I don’t know neuroscience. I do know that sometimes there is so little known about a given area that one has to grasp at straws so to speak. You look for clues and present the findings. I don’t know what one does with the data represented. It appears to me that the data doesn’t represent a function. There’s a lot of “verticality” in the data. It’s obviously not exponential, logarithmic, or parabolic or some other higher degree polynomial. So how does one fit such data? I don’t know. Is it dumb to use linear fit? Or is it common practice with such data?
jerf 4y ago
Brain Thing Correlates With Other Brain Thing is the expected result of any two Brain Things, because all the Brain Things correlate. The failure here is a variant of the Streetlight Effect; we looked for this one correlation, we found it, so it must be important. It's not, unless it's really strong, because in this space, everything correlates to everything. To be important, there needs to be something more than "a correlation"; that's so expected as to be a near zero-bit contribution to science. For there not to be any correlation would actually be the surprising thing!
- syzarian 4y ago
  From my brief reading on dyadic regression your first sentence is why dyadic regressions are used in the circumstances of the paper. I don’t know the validity of the paper but I do strongly suspect Sabine doesn’t either and that her Tweet says more about her ignorance of the topic than it does about the validity of the paper.
  - jerf 4y ago
    I find there is a substantial difference between the intended performance of statistical tools intended to compensate for such things, and the actual performance of such tools. See also the attempt to filter out "confounding" variables in more normal statistical analyses; I personally believe that the effectiveness of such tools are extremely overstated and overestimated. There is a certain intrinsic circularity to any such tool.

abnry 4y ago

I mean, do you honestly think that the graph represents a good linear fit?

syzarian 4y ago
The data does not appear to me to represent a function. There is a lot of verticality to the data. It’s doesn’t appear to me to be logistic, exponential, or a higher degree polynomial. What is the best model? I don’t know. I’m not a statistician or a neuroscientist. Maybe they have reasons for doing a linear fit in this case that we aren’t aware of. Typically experts have reasons for what they do and their reasons would seem reasonable to me if I knew what they did.

dopu 4y ago

I don’t know who she is, but you don’t need to be neuroscientist or a statistician to see how laughably bad that correlation claim is.

syzarian 4y ago
I don’t know neuroscience. I do know that sometimes there is so little known about a given area that one has to grasp at straws so to speak. You look for clues and present the findings. I don’t know what one does with the data represented. It appears to me that the data doesn’t represent a function. There’s a lot of “verticality” in the data. It’s obviously not exponential, logarithmic, or parabolic or some other higher degree polynomial. So how does one fit such data? I don’t know. Is it dumb to use linear fit? Or is it common practice with such data?

jerf 4y ago

Brain Thing Correlates With Other Brain Thing is the expected result of any two Brain Things, because all the Brain Things correlate. The failure here is a variant of the Streetlight Effect; we looked for this one correlation, we found it, so it must be important. It's not, unless it's really strong, because in this space, everything correlates to everything. To be important, there needs to be something more than "a correlation"; that's so expected as to be a near zero-bit contribution to science. For there not to be any correlation would actually be the surprising thing!

syzarian 4y ago
From my brief reading on dyadic regression your first sentence is why dyadic regressions are used in the circumstances of the paper. I don’t know the validity of the paper but I do strongly suspect Sabine doesn’t either and that her Tweet says more about her ignorance of the topic than it does about the validity of the paper.
- jerf 4y ago
  I find there is a substantial difference between the intended performance of statistical tools intended to compensate for such things, and the actual performance of such tools. See also the attempt to filter out "confounding" variables in more normal statistical analyses; I personally believe that the effectiveness of such tools are extremely overstated and overestimated. There is a certain intrinsic circularity to any such tool.