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Yup, I don't trust spez, I don't trust reddit's management (even less after the Chinese investments). This is a case to be cynical, reddit is not transparent an

by piva00 4y ago

Yup, I don't trust spez, I don't trust reddit's management (even less after the Chinese investments). This is a case to be cynical, reddit is not transparent and their leadership has been riddled with stupid politics, including the whole weird saga they did with Ellen Pao.

sillysaurusx 4y ago
Ehh. Spez being human makes me inclined to trust him a little more. I’m neutral in politics, but editing those comments was objectively funny. Stupid, yes — astonishingly so. But it finally broke the illusion that users own their comments. That’s all it ever was: an illusion. I don’t trust authority in general. But given the choice between spez and musk, I’d take spez any day. He’s at least not hopped up on drugs running around making crazy decisions. And in terms of Reddit’s trustworthiness, it makes even less sense that editing comments would be of any consequence. If they detect a hacker and have the logs to prove it, they’d gain nothing by modifying the logs. And if they don’t, they gain nothing by fabricating the logs. So it seems reasonable to conclude that they just don’t have the logs. Which is also reasonable. When I was hacking into systems at Matasano, it always made me uncomfortable just how undetectable I was. I wasn’t trying particularly hard to conceal myself, but a few well-chosen bash incantations and opening things in vi means all anyone sees is that a vi process is running.
- raspberry1337 4y ago
  I'd take the devil over musk! At least he is not hopped up on drugs and running around making crazy bad decisions
  - nkozyra 4y ago
    Getting some Poe's Law vibes here.
- malfist 4y ago
  > Spez being human makes me inclined to trust him a little more You realize what you're saying right? You're saying someone's actions that breach trust makes you trust them more? Actions speak louder than words, if someone is showing you that you can't trust them, you don't decide that you're going to trust them more!
- 7speter 4y ago
  > But it finally broke the illusion that users own their comments. That’s all it ever was: an illusion. Makes me wonder about all what else about reddit is an “illusion”
- LarryMullins 4y ago
  So basically "he lied to me, lying is a human behavior, so I trust him." Wew.
- qingdao99 4y ago
  How hard is it to resist directly editing user data on your site? It's a pretty clear-cut case of abuse of power.
  - doubled112 4y ago
    I've always strongly believed in "ignorance is bliss", and "if somebody wants me to know something they will tell me". The idea of snooping barely crosses my mind, let alone editing. Maybe it is different because Reddit comments are intended to be public.
- ineptech 4y ago
  Obviously this is an unpopular opinion, but I think you're right about spez. Editing those comments in his AMA was dumb, but pretty obviously not malicious in the way that's being suggested here. I think a fair analogy would be if he gave a speech in a clown wig, and was then accused of having tried to disguise himself.
- cmh89 4y ago
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- albert-thomas 4y ago
  I've had a few interactions with him person to person, he seems like an alright guy. Then again, so did my last boss till i got to know him better
pokepim 4y ago
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gruez 4y ago
>Yup, I don't trust spez, I don't trust reddit's management (even less after the Chinese investments) I think you (and many other people) are overestimating how much chinese influence there is on reddit, considering that they have < 10% stake (according to wikipedia they "led" a funding round that raised 10% of valuation, and since then there was another funding round that presumably diluted their stake).
- corbulo 4y ago
  Above 0 is too much. Could 10% buy you mod spot over a large major subreddit? Maybe get reddit to look the other way for your astroturf campaigns? Reddit is just as shady with its Overton Window manipulation tactics & strategies as Twitter has been exposed to be. Remember when Ghislaine Maxwell was revealed as a mod of r/Worldnews? I'm convinced any relevant PR company worth its salt has infiltrated moderator teams of every major subreddit. Whats stopping them? Or anyone else for that matter
  - gruez 4y ago
    > Above 0 is too much. Could 10% buy you mod spot over a large major subreddit? Maybe get reddit to look the other way for your astroturf campaigns? That's... not how fundraising rounds usually work.
    - corbulo 4y ago
      Thats how ownership and influence works. You think China is buying 10% because of how profitable reddit is?
      - gruez 4y ago
        I can ask the same for the other investors. >in 2005. Condé Nast Publications acquired the site in October 2006. In 2011, Reddit became an independent subsidiary of Condé Nast's parent company, Advance Publications.[11] In October 2014, Reddit raised $50 million in a funding round led by Sam Altman and including investors Marc Andreessen, Peter Thiel, Ron Conway, Snoop Dogg, and Jared Leto.[12] Their investment valued the company at $500 million then.[13][14] In July 2017, Reddit raised $200 million for a $1.8 billion valuation, with Advance Publications remaining the majority stakeholder.[15] In February 2019, a $300 million funding round led by Tencent brought the company's valuation to $3 billion.[16] In August 2021, a $700 million funding round led by Fidelity Investments raised that valuation to over $10 billion.[4] What type of shadowy agenda are entities like Jared Leto or Fidelity Investments trying to advance? Or should we assume that they're acting altruistically because they're not Chinese?

by piva00 4y ago

sillysaurusx 4y ago

Ehh. Spez being human makes me inclined to trust him a little more. I’m neutral in politics, but editing those comments was objectively funny. Stupid, yes — astonishingly so. But it finally broke the illusion that users own their comments. That’s all it ever was: an illusion. I don’t trust authority in general. But given the choice between spez and musk, I’d take spez any day. He’s at least not hopped up on drugs running around making crazy decisions. And in terms of Reddit’s trustworthiness, it makes even less sense that editing comments would be of any consequence. If they detect a hacker and have the logs to prove it, they’d gain nothing by modifying the logs. And if they don’t, they gain nothing by fabricating the logs. So it seems reasonable to conclude that they just don’t have the logs. Which is also reasonable. When I was hacking into systems at Matasano, it always made me uncomfortable just how undetectable I was. I wasn’t trying particularly hard to conceal myself, but a few well-chosen bash incantations and opening things in vi means all anyone sees is that a vi process is running.

raspberry1337 4y ago
I'd take the devil over musk! At least he is not hopped up on drugs and running around making crazy bad decisions
- nkozyra 4y ago
  Getting some Poe's Law vibes here.
malfist 4y ago
> Spez being human makes me inclined to trust him a little more You realize what you're saying right? You're saying someone's actions that breach trust makes you trust them more? Actions speak louder than words, if someone is showing you that you can't trust them, you don't decide that you're going to trust them more!
7speter 4y ago
> But it finally broke the illusion that users own their comments. That’s all it ever was: an illusion. Makes me wonder about all what else about reddit is an “illusion”
LarryMullins 4y ago
So basically "he lied to me, lying is a human behavior, so I trust him." Wew.
qingdao99 4y ago
How hard is it to resist directly editing user data on your site? It's a pretty clear-cut case of abuse of power.
- doubled112 4y ago
  I've always strongly believed in "ignorance is bliss", and "if somebody wants me to know something they will tell me". The idea of snooping barely crosses my mind, let alone editing. Maybe it is different because Reddit comments are intended to be public.
ineptech 4y ago
Obviously this is an unpopular opinion, but I think you're right about spez. Editing those comments in his AMA was dumb, but pretty obviously not malicious in the way that's being suggested here. I think a fair analogy would be if he gave a speech in a clown wig, and was then accused of having tried to disguise himself.
cmh89 4y ago
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albert-thomas 4y ago
I've had a few interactions with him person to person, he seems like an alright guy. Then again, so did my last boss till i got to know him better

pokepim 4y ago

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gruez 4y ago

>Yup, I don't trust spez, I don't trust reddit's management (even less after the Chinese investments) I think you (and many other people) are overestimating how much chinese influence there is on reddit, considering that they have < 10% stake (according to wikipedia they "led" a funding round that raised 10% of valuation, and since then there was another funding round that presumably diluted their stake).

corbulo 4y ago
Above 0 is too much. Could 10% buy you mod spot over a large major subreddit? Maybe get reddit to look the other way for your astroturf campaigns? Reddit is just as shady with its Overton Window manipulation tactics & strategies as Twitter has been exposed to be. Remember when Ghislaine Maxwell was revealed as a mod of r/Worldnews? I'm convinced any relevant PR company worth its salt has infiltrated moderator teams of every major subreddit. Whats stopping them? Or anyone else for that matter
- gruez 4y ago
  > Above 0 is too much. Could 10% buy you mod spot over a large major subreddit? Maybe get reddit to look the other way for your astroturf campaigns? That's... not how fundraising rounds usually work.
  - corbulo 4y ago
    Thats how ownership and influence works. You think China is buying 10% because of how profitable reddit is?
    - gruez 4y ago
      I can ask the same for the other investors. >in 2005. Condé Nast Publications acquired the site in October 2006. In 2011, Reddit became an independent subsidiary of Condé Nast's parent company, Advance Publications.[11] In October 2014, Reddit raised $50 million in a funding round led by Sam Altman and including investors Marc Andreessen, Peter Thiel, Ron Conway, Snoop Dogg, and Jared Leto.[12] Their investment valued the company at $500 million then.[13][14] In July 2017, Reddit raised $200 million for a $1.8 billion valuation, with Advance Publications remaining the majority stakeholder.[15] In February 2019, a $300 million funding round led by Tencent brought the company's valuation to $3 billion.[16] In August 2021, a $700 million funding round led by Fidelity Investments raised that valuation to over $10 billion.[4] What type of shadowy agenda are entities like Jared Leto or Fidelity Investments trying to advance? Or should we assume that they're acting altruistically because they're not Chinese?