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> Ever heard of Android, cloud or SaaS? And that's why its extremely imaginary in this context, these are "core utilities", not a distributed database. Their

> Ever heard of Android, cloud or SaaS? And that's why its extremely imaginary in this context, these are "core utilities", not a distributed database. Their value is in being the same everywhere and installed on every system, not in a SaaS interface. The very basis of uutils itself is that it is the same as the GNU equivalents. One irony is -- look at the linked article's comments -- I have to imagine some of the people saying "Rust is not ready for X because it doesn't have multiple implementations" are the same people saying "Don't create an alternatively licensed implementation of coreutils". Just completely unprincipled, untethered reasoning. And don't forget the king of ironies -- GNU coreutils themselves are a reimplementation of proprietary code. > There are plenty of user-hostile services that use FOSS internally. Weak licenses are huge enablers for this behavior. This is obviously a red herring. Any bad behavior would be the same re: the GPL and the MIT license in this particular instance. The answer is always -- do better than your competitor. If the GPL is better, fork the MIT code, and build a better alternative. The problem is -- the people actually contributing chose the MIT license. And that should be the end of the matter. You don't get to have an opinion on someone else's choice of license if you contribute nothing. This combination of bullying and whining by GNU/FSF advocates is extremely off-putting. I'm a contributor to uutils (but I don't speak for it!) and watching the apoplectic whinging by Redditors and HN commenters just re: this project has completely turned me off the GPL for my other projects. When will people realize that being a completely insane socialist/MAGA/atheist/Christian/FOSS advocate at a dinner party is a turn off?

goodpoint 4y ago
> This combination of bullying and whining Interesting to hear given how much whining I heard in your and other replies... > completely insane socialist/MAGA/atheist/Christian/FOSS advocate at a dinner party is a turn off? Plus you are resorting to insults and yet you claim I'm the unreasonable one.
- mustache_kimono 4y ago
  Afraid I don't understand how me telling you to "Quit whining and fork the project" is actually the true whining. > Plus you are resorting to insults and yet you claim I'm the unreasonable one. I don't think I characterized anyone as unreasonable. Your examples are not analogous to the present situation, but I think your real problem is you're telling other people, very well aware of the Good News of GNU/FSF, something they already know. I, and others, have taken a very clear eyed looked at the GPL/FSF and said "No, not for me," and I wish you'd understand one of the reasons why is yours and others rampant religiosity. I don't comment under GPL licensed project, "Hey I wish you'd change your license to MIT because [red herring, and bad faith argument...]" because I know it's in incredibly poor taste as a non-contributor. MIT/GPL/AGPL/etc isn't always my cup of tea either but its simply not my choice. That said -- sure, if you/anyone has a merits based case to make as to why something makes more sense as GPL licensed, I'm all ears. But, as it stands, your arguments are in poor taste.

goodpoint 4y ago

> This combination of bullying and whining Interesting to hear given how much whining I heard in your and other replies... > completely insane socialist/MAGA/atheist/Christian/FOSS advocate at a dinner party is a turn off? Plus you are resorting to insults and yet you claim I'm the unreasonable one.

mustache_kimono 4y ago
Afraid I don't understand how me telling you to "Quit whining and fork the project" is actually the true whining. > Plus you are resorting to insults and yet you claim I'm the unreasonable one. I don't think I characterized anyone as unreasonable. Your examples are not analogous to the present situation, but I think your real problem is you're telling other people, very well aware of the Good News of GNU/FSF, something they already know. I, and others, have taken a very clear eyed looked at the GPL/FSF and said "No, not for me," and I wish you'd understand one of the reasons why is yours and others rampant religiosity. I don't comment under GPL licensed project, "Hey I wish you'd change your license to MIT because [red herring, and bad faith argument...]" because I know it's in incredibly poor taste as a non-contributor. MIT/GPL/AGPL/etc isn't always my cup of tea either but its simply not my choice. That said -- sure, if you/anyone has a merits based case to make as to why something makes more sense as GPL licensed, I'm all ears. But, as it stands, your arguments are in poor taste.