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The music industry will not like this, seems like a short circuit around royalties and the value of a music deal with an artist.
by tlarkworthy 4y ago
The music industry will not like this, seems like a short circuit around royalties and the value of a music deal with an artist.
- iamben 4y agoThis case is probably pretty relevant right now - and this is with an impersonator and the right to use the song: https://www.theguardian.com/music/2023/jan/27/yung-gravy-sued-by-rick-astley-signature-voice-betty-get-money-never-gonna-give-you-up https://www.theguardian.com/music/2023/jan/27/yung-gravy-sue...
- whazor 4y agoThis seems very close to remixing or covering music, which already happens on a big scale, with royalties in place. If they can clearly recognize someone's voice/style, then they would want a piece of the pie. Outside the law, music industry still has a lot of power, and platforms like Spotify are not going to risk those relationships.
- mensetmanusman 4y agoIt’s too late, this is just advanced remixing.
- realusername 4y agoSure but that existed before, you could always ask somebody else to write you a song in the style of Eminem to use in your own song, the difference is how easy it became. For somebody like David Guetta, it always has been financially possible.
- giancarlostoro 4y agoOn the other hand, you might be able to clear royalties quicker, so long as you emphasize its AI with permission, now nobody has to spend money on studio time recording new vocals for some one off DJ remix.
- zorr 4y agoWhich artist will be the first to sell a licensed LLM (and other models?) trained on their own discography?
- nickelcitymario 4y agoWell now that’s an interesting thought. I bet you’re absolutely right with this prediction.
- Quarrelsome 4y agodepending on the artist some fans might not enjoy being short changed if the drop in quality is perceivable.
- Mougatine 4y agoIn a way, it's similar to the actors selling their digital images in the movie The Congress. It's inevitable.
- BlueTemplar 4y agoBased (how closely ?) on the 1971 black humour science fiction novel "The Futurological Congress" by Stanisław Lem ! (For those that would not know, he coined the term "robot" from the slavic root "work".)
- blackshaw 4y agoAre you sure? Wikipedia says the word was coined by Karel Capek: https://wikiless.org/wiki/Karel_%C4%8Capek?lang=en https://wikiless.org/wiki/Karel_%C4%8Capek?lang=en
- BlueTemplar 4y agoOh damn. My bad - it's funny, I even though to myself : «he would have been quite young, wouldn't he ?»
- rapsey 4y agoIt is like in the early youtube days where everyone was just waiting who is going to shut them down.
- TheFragenTaken 4y agoGuetta is not saying it's the real deal. The creativity, is his usage of the tools available. He could have hired an impersonator, it's the same thing (in my opinion).
- __alexs 4y agoUsing impersonators has its own issues. e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midler_v._Ford_Motor_Co https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midler_v._Ford_Motor_Co.
- williamcotton 4y agoBut that’s in a commercial setting, this is during a musical performance. The audience was not tricked into showing up to an Eminem performance and were not tricked into thinking that Eminem was on stage at any point. This is protected speech.
- cj 4y ago> This is protected speech According to a quick google search, even cover bands performing live are required to pay royalties to the original artists whose songs they're performing. Maybe there's some loophole when using an artist's likeness while changing the actual music and lyrics, I don't know. But "protected speech" isn't meant to be a way to make money off of other people's work. Curious what part of "Midler v. Ford Motor Co" you think wouldn't apply to a musical performance.
- 101008 4y ago> According to a quick google search, even cover bands performing live are required to pay royalties to the original artists whose songs they're performing. It's more than that. If you were part of a band and now you are solo (plenty of cases), you need to pay your old band if you play an old song you were part of (unless you own 100% of the lyrics and music rights, which is rare). By the way, I am totalyl OK with this deal/agreement/way of doing things.
- tinus_hn 4y agoThere is a very big difference between putting out a record and playing something at a performance. The latter is a lot more lax.
- Bad_CRC 4y agoyup, this could be more like Daft Punk using samples.
- flangola7 4y agoWhat song did Eminem write that he would be owed loyalties for?
- khmii 4y ago[dead]
- tsimionescu 4y agoHis entire discography, the thing that ChatGPT's impersonation of him is based on.
- williamcotton 4y agoThis is a tired cliche. Does Supabase owe him royalties when they use that same model that trained on Eminem’s lyrics to make a chat bot that can interact with their support documentation? https://supabase.com/blog/chatgpt-supabase-docs https://supabase.com/blog/chatgpt-supabase-docs
- Quarrelsome 4y agoChat bots are not in competition with Eminem in his industry. Whereas other music artists are. Its entirely fair game for subjects in a given field to protest when an AI is trained on their work and then is used to power competition to them without any form of remuneration or licensing to compensate them.
- williamcotton 4y agoGreat, so we agree that it is fair use for OpenAI to train on copyrighted works as long as the person using the model does so in non-infringing ways and that the liability rests with the person using the tool. Logically, the model must be considered in fair use if we are to allow Supabase Clippy. This is how the courts will see it!
- tsimionescu 4y agoPossibly yes, though it's more likely that OpenAI owes royalties on the revenue they get from ChatGPT. We have yet to see this play out in court, but we likely will in the following years.
- an_aparallel 4y agoyeah - i wonder if uberduck has paid licenses to any of the rappers voices they have available on their site... they're flouting a sample clip with eminem on their homepage. this just seems like clever marketing to me.
- zachthewf 4y agoWe have some, working on more...
- justinclift 4y agoAudio NFT's for the win? ;)
- an_aparallel 4y agoCustom Eminem Roast Sounbytes - $10 a pop...highschool just got a whole lot crueller :/
- knaik94 4y agoThis isn't going to be released commercially, as a very successful artist, he knows that better than most. No record label would release songs without clearing things with the relevant artist. Many artists and DJs don't release live sets/remixes because it would be impossible to clear all the samples, I don't see why this would be any different.
- dao- 4y agoDavid Guetta makes tons of money just performing live, so "not going to be release commercially" feels like a cop-out... But then again, that's sort of how DJing works anyway. Would he have had to pay some sort of royalties had he just remixed one of Eminem's actual works on stage?
- AlecSchueler 4y agoThe venue he's playing at would have to have a general license with the big labels, from which some money would go to Eminem.
- phpnode 4y agoIn which country is that true? In the UK for example venues need to be registered with the PRS (Performing Rights Society) but their fees are relatively low and the funds they collect are distributed based on surveys with the venues - once every year or two someone will come to the venue and ask them to write down the top 20 or so artists / tracks that they play. It's not very targeted or accurate. https://www.prsformusic.com/ https://www.prsformusic.com/
- AlecSchueler 4y agoSorry, didn't mean to suggest it was target specifically to Eminem, just that some of the money would get to him via the general performance license. As far as I understand PRS is a common model.
- sigmar 4y ago