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Sorry, that is not correct. EU law defines that the consumer is given a minimum 2-year guarantee as a protection against faulty goods, or goods that don't look

Sorry, that is not correct. EU law defines that the consumer is given a minimum 2-year guarantee as a protection against faulty goods, or goods that don't look or work as advertised when buying a product from a trader in the EU (incl. Norway and Iceland). The application of this is a bit more complex, as the definition of a "faulty good" is a product that failed due to flaw in its design ("defects presumed to have existed at the time of delivery"), and after the first year YOU as the consumer have to prove that this fault existed when the goods were delivered. Moreover, legally this guarantee has to be given by the *trader* selling the product to you, not even the manufacturer of the prouct. If you import the component from outside the EU the law doesn't even apply, as you have formed a contract with a trader not bound by this law. But in this case it's all irrelevant because the item sold is basically a spare-part, not a consumer end-product. For spare-parts and components that legal guarantee for consumers doesn't apply.

TheNorthman 4y ago
> and after the first year YOU as the consumer have to prove that this fault existed when the goods were delivered. You have to make it probable, which is very different from proving. A rule favoring consumers, something like "there isn't an excess of scratches" is sufficient in most cases, where the alternative would require an excessive cost in further analysis (read: all electronics). > If you import the component from outside the EU the law doesn't even apply, as you have formed a contract with a trader not bound by this law. The seller is advertising _and_ shipping his product to the EU, therefor he is bound by its laws. He even features specific advise to EU consumers. > But in this case it's all irrelevant because the item sold is basically a spare-part This is just nonsense. It's sold direct to consumers, it's a consumer product.
- dec0dedab0de 4y ago
  > If you import the component from outside the EU the law doesn't even apply, as you have formed a contract with a trader not bound by this law. The seller is advertising _and_ shipping his product to the EU, therefor he is bound by its laws. He even features specific advise to EU consumers. This is interesting, and I think is similar to the GDPR. Do you think he could get extradited for not following EU law, assuming he is being compliant with the laws of his own country? I would think that any punishment would be limited to if he enters the EU, or has assets there. Or perhaps blocking his website, or any shipments from him. Is there anyone around with actual experience in these kinds of laws?
  - arcbyte 4y ago
    Extradition is only for criminal offenses, not civil ones. The EU can prosecute Americans to their hearts content. They are limited only by their ability to collect judgment. The US will not collect foreign judgements except as specified by treaty. There are no treaties for enforcing GDPR fines in the US. So if you or your company has property in the EU they can sieze it. But if you never go to the EU or own anything there you can rest assured that you are quite safe from GDPR fines.
germanier 4y ago
> For spare-parts and components that legal guarantee for consumers doesn't apply There is no such exception.
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TheNorthman 4y ago

> and after the first year YOU as the consumer have to prove that this fault existed when the goods were delivered. You have to make it probable, which is very different from proving. A rule favoring consumers, something like "there isn't an excess of scratches" is sufficient in most cases, where the alternative would require an excessive cost in further analysis (read: all electronics). > If you import the component from outside the EU the law doesn't even apply, as you have formed a contract with a trader not bound by this law. The seller is advertising _and_ shipping his product to the EU, therefor he is bound by its laws. He even features specific advise to EU consumers. > But in this case it's all irrelevant because the item sold is basically a spare-part This is just nonsense. It's sold direct to consumers, it's a consumer product.

dec0dedab0de 4y ago
> If you import the component from outside the EU the law doesn't even apply, as you have formed a contract with a trader not bound by this law. The seller is advertising _and_ shipping his product to the EU, therefor he is bound by its laws. He even features specific advise to EU consumers. This is interesting, and I think is similar to the GDPR. Do you think he could get extradited for not following EU law, assuming he is being compliant with the laws of his own country? I would think that any punishment would be limited to if he enters the EU, or has assets there. Or perhaps blocking his website, or any shipments from him. Is there anyone around with actual experience in these kinds of laws?
- arcbyte 4y ago
  Extradition is only for criminal offenses, not civil ones. The EU can prosecute Americans to their hearts content. They are limited only by their ability to collect judgment. The US will not collect foreign judgements except as specified by treaty. There are no treaties for enforcing GDPR fines in the US. So if you or your company has property in the EU they can sieze it. But if you never go to the EU or own anything there you can rest assured that you are quite safe from GDPR fines.

germanier 4y ago

> For spare-parts and components that legal guarantee for consumers doesn't apply There is no such exception.

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