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Once they offer AMD options. Until then, there's no way.
by snvzz 4y ago
Once they offer AMD options. Until then, there's no way.
- worldofmatthew 4y agoAMD CPUs are much better for laptop as they tend to scale better at acceptable power draw levels for something battery powered while retaining good performance. Intel has the lead on the low power/low performance stuff.
- sph 4y agoSame, but I don't care much about Team Blue vs Red. The Intel-driven power saving fiasco of the latest generation of Framework laptops is enough to keep me away. I should not have to add weird kernel parameters or modules for my laptop not to burn through its battery during sleep.
- PrimeDirective 4y agoI'm out of the loop, what was the fiasco?
- rwalle 4y agoThese may help: https://www.notebookcheck.net/Core-i5-beats-Core-i7-Alder-Lake-P-creates-problems-for-manufacturers-and-customers.621251.0.html https://www.notebookcheck.net/Core-i5-beats-Core-i7-Alder-La... https://wccftech.com/intel-alder-lake-desktop-cpus-more-power-hungry-than-rocket-lake-comet-lake-chips/ https://wccftech.com/intel-alder-lake-desktop-cpus-more-powe... Basically the P CPUs are much faster than U in previous generations but are also much more power hungry. The battery life is noticably shorter on laptops with a CPU like i5-1240P. And they produce a LOT of heat. I think one CPU option for framework laptop is i5-1240P.
- razemio 4y agoI see so many people thinking AMD is a better option. I see only downsides besides better price point. Why do you prefer it over Intel?
- tobz1000 4y ago1. Efficiency, and 2. Integrated graphics power. Conversely, what is the advantage of Intel, other than peak boost performance (at vastly higher wattage)?
- robotnikman 4y agoQuoting another person here, seems like there are some big issues with Intel CPU's when it comes to laptops "These may help: https://www.notebookcheck.net/Core-i5-beats-Core-i7-Alder-La https://www.notebookcheck.net/Core-i5-beats-Core-i7-Alder-La... https://wccftech.com/intel-alder-lake-desktop-cpus-more-powe https://wccftech.com/intel-alder-lake-desktop-cpus-more-powe... Basically the P CPUs are much faster than U in previous generations but are also much more power hungry. The battery life is noticably shorter on laptops with a CPU like i5-1240P. And they produce a LOT of heat. I think one CPU option for framework laptop is i5-1240P. "
- unmole 4y agoWhat downsides do you see?
- razemio 4y agoI am a dev with the need to virtualize ALOT. My main driver is also a Linux based system. I had to use a ThinkPad T14 2021 (maxed out AMD version) before I switch employees. It was a horrible experience: * virtualization issues left and right. Everything was working but weird behavior from time to time. Like random performance degradation, rare crashes and mostly compatibility issues with experimental stuff (e.g. Integrated gpu pass through was not possible with AMDs at the time) * battery life sucked (ironically this should be an Intel Issue) * standby was not working as expected * no support for Display Link * Thunderbolt 4 (huge issue for me) Now I am on the Framework i7 11 Gen and all the issues are gone. Yes Battery life could be better but it was way worse with the AMD.
- icelancer 4y agoI begrudgingly switched to Intel some time ago because of Thunderbolt 4 and AMD's lack of support for Thunderbolt in general, especially in budget-friendly lines (around $1000 USD in my case). There were also weird virtualization issues with AMD compared to Intel. Now it's getting better, so I'd consider it for my next laptop, but for those who dock a ton of peripherals and monitors, I recommend strict Thunderbolt 4 compliance - which again, I hope more AMD-powered machines can bring to bear.