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You sure about that? His site says Switzerland, and I’m pretty sure _they_ didn’t vote leave

by brirec 4y ago

mattclarkdotnet 4y ago
They can’t leave because they never joined?
vore 4y ago
Switzerland is not and has never been in the EU.
- Xylakant 4y ago
  Switzerland is complicated. They are not in the EU, but closely aligned and essentially bound to many of the EU rules and regulations via agreements. Whether that applies for warranty or not is not something I know, but it’s definitely possible.
- yywwbbn 4y ago
  In practice they are at economically if not politically. They are in the free trade area so most EU regulations regarding goods apply there
  - CaptainZapp 4y ago
    Nope, Switzerland is out of the single market and doesn't have a customs union with the EU, but > most EU regulations regarding goods apply there In that point you're right. Interestingly enough Switzerland is part of the Schengen area. So, as others pointed out, it's complicated.
prmoustache 4y ago
I've lived in switzerland for years and they kept voting to not join. So no they didn't even have to leave.
yywwbbn 4y ago
Technically correct. They voted to not join so couldn’t leave. Of course they are in Schengen and the free trade area so basically in the EU for the most part
- vinay427 4y ago
  > they are in Schengen and the free trade area so basically in the EU for the most part That’s a large leap. It’s not in the EEA but is in the EFTA, so even fewer EU regulations apply than in Norway, for instance. Furthermore, the EU is a much larger political entity with its own parliament and other institutions, as I’m sure you’re aware, and these don’t have direct jurisdiction over most aspects of Swiss law as they would for EU member nations. It’s a more straightforward process for Switzerland to nullify its bilateral agreements (as is threatened seemingly every few years) than for something like Brexit.
  - arlort 4y ago
    > even fewer EU regulations apply than in Norway, for instance Automatically, but many if not most commercial regulations get incorporated, in this case the warranty legislation also dictates 2 years > than for something like Brexit I would say the difference lies more in the renegotiation than in the cutting. EU membership doesn't get renegotiated often, while treaties between EU/CH are expected to be renegotiated (although that has a whole host of challenges and doesn't happen nearly as often as you'd expect) But nullification is a similar impact and a similar process as brexit because most of these negotiations had a guillotine clause which tied them toghether Brexit was a remarkably straightforward process, you send a letter and at the latest two years later you're out if you don't ask for exception It was the headless chicken phase when the UK was trying to negotiate without having an internal consensus on what they wanted that was convoluted
    - brmgb 4y ago
      Switzerland has this weird relationship with the EEA where they want to be able to export easily so they align their laws but don't want to be a member so they have no say on what is done. > Brexit was a remarkably straightforward process, you send a letter and at the latest two years later you're out if you don't ask for exception Straightforward is a bit of a stretch. Brexit was convoluted because the UK is in a weird position where it had a ton of agreements regarding its border with France which had not been negotiated for a long time as they didn't matter when they were part of the EU and they wanted things which were not compatible with the Good Friday agreement. As far as I know, this part is still not settled.

You sure about that? His site says Switzerland, and I’m pretty sure _they_ didn’t vote leave

by brirec 4y ago

You sure about that? His site says Switzerland, and I’m pretty sure _they_ didn’t vote leave

mattclarkdotnet 4y ago

They can’t leave because they never joined?

vore 4y ago

Switzerland is not and has never been in the EU.

Xylakant 4y ago
Switzerland is complicated. They are not in the EU, but closely aligned and essentially bound to many of the EU rules and regulations via agreements. Whether that applies for warranty or not is not something I know, but it’s definitely possible.
yywwbbn 4y ago
In practice they are at economically if not politically. They are in the free trade area so most EU regulations regarding goods apply there
- CaptainZapp 4y ago
  Nope, Switzerland is out of the single market and doesn't have a customs union with the EU, but > most EU regulations regarding goods apply there In that point you're right. Interestingly enough Switzerland is part of the Schengen area. So, as others pointed out, it's complicated.

prmoustache 4y ago

I've lived in switzerland for years and they kept voting to not join. So no they didn't even have to leave.

yywwbbn 4y ago

Technically correct. They voted to not join so couldn’t leave. Of course they are in Schengen and the free trade area so basically in the EU for the most part

vinay427 4y ago
> they are in Schengen and the free trade area so basically in the EU for the most part That’s a large leap. It’s not in the EEA but is in the EFTA, so even fewer EU regulations apply than in Norway, for instance. Furthermore, the EU is a much larger political entity with its own parliament and other institutions, as I’m sure you’re aware, and these don’t have direct jurisdiction over most aspects of Swiss law as they would for EU member nations. It’s a more straightforward process for Switzerland to nullify its bilateral agreements (as is threatened seemingly every few years) than for something like Brexit.
- arlort 4y ago
  > even fewer EU regulations apply than in Norway, for instance Automatically, but many if not most commercial regulations get incorporated, in this case the warranty legislation also dictates 2 years > than for something like Brexit I would say the difference lies more in the renegotiation than in the cutting. EU membership doesn't get renegotiated often, while treaties between EU/CH are expected to be renegotiated (although that has a whole host of challenges and doesn't happen nearly as often as you'd expect) But nullification is a similar impact and a similar process as brexit because most of these negotiations had a guillotine clause which tied them toghether Brexit was a remarkably straightforward process, you send a letter and at the latest two years later you're out if you don't ask for exception It was the headless chicken phase when the UK was trying to negotiate without having an internal consensus on what they wanted that was convoluted
  - brmgb 4y ago
    Switzerland has this weird relationship with the EEA where they want to be able to export easily so they align their laws but don't want to be a member so they have no say on what is done. > Brexit was a remarkably straightforward process, you send a letter and at the latest two years later you're out if you don't ask for exception Straightforward is a bit of a stretch. Brexit was convoluted because the UK is in a weird position where it had a ton of agreements regarding its border with France which had not been negotiated for a long time as they didn't matter when they were part of the EU and they wanted things which were not compatible with the Good Friday agreement. As far as I know, this part is still not settled.