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Now offering 2TB SSDs for Steam Deck in the Framework Marketplace
- slaw 4y agoIt is $215 on Aliexpress, instead of $299. Is Framework now Aliexpress reseller? https://a.aliexpress.com/_EHpXKi5 https://a.aliexpress.com/_EHpXKi5
- moondev 4y agoWould be awesome to see this used in a USB4/TB4 update to https://frame.work/products/storage-expansion-card?v=FRACCFBZ0A https://frame.work/products/storage-expansion-card?v=FRACCFB...
- Atreiden 4y agoStuff like this gives me hope for an open-source future. I love my Steam Deck, and I'll be making Framework my next computer purchase. I want to see these companies succeed because respecting consumer freedoms and contributing back to the open source community benefits us all. I'd love to see the walled-garden, service-driven approach to electronics become a thing of the past.
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- krolden 4y agoMany people outside the USA see the American flag as a hate symbol. Should they ban that as well?
- tarotuser 4y agoMany places online ban or otherwise shun political demagoguery like that. That sort of behavior does nothing to open discussion or otherwise change minds. It's at best bad graffiti purely meant to inflame.
- krolden 4y ago>it's at best bad graffiti purely meant to inflame Funny I was just thinking the same about the original comment.
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- prettyStandard 4y agoLove framework. My girlfriend needs a new gaming laptop. I'm setting her up with a framework and an external GPU.
- bogantech 4y agoNothing says "portable gaming" like an eGPU
- wongarsu 4y agoOn the other hand I know multiple people who basically never move their laptop, and their list of reasons for getting a laptop boils down to "everyone has a laptop", "I've always had a laptop" and "it takes less space". For these people, an eGPU is a reasonable choice.
- paraph1n 4y agoWhat about people who game on their laptop (at home) but don't need to game on the go? In that case an eGPU also sounds like a reasonable choice. They can just leave the eGPU at home and still be productive away from their desk.
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- robotnikman 4y agoI'm one of those people. My current laptop came with an eGPU enclosure, and I recently put a 3090 in it. The battery life on the laptop is so bad that it's basically a desktop now constantly connected to the eGPU and power supply. For gaming and resource heavy tasks it works great though, even if a bit loud at times. I ended up getting a much better and slimmer laptop for actual portable work.
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- GNOMES 4y agoI wonder if this was something Linus from LTT suggested. I believe he is an investor in Framework + huge Steam Deck advocate
- nrp 4y agoThis came out of our own internal observation that 2TB 2230 SSDs were available from our suppliers, but seemed to be completely unavailable on the retail market, despite there being a clear need for Steam Deck users. Edit: Just expanding on this further. The reason this gap existed was likely a "shipping the org chart" one. For storage and memory makers, the retail, OEM (selling in bulk to computer makers), and embedded/industrial teams are pretty siloed from each other. We are one of the very rare companies that buys both retail and OEM memory and storage, so we spotted the opportunity to bring an OEM drive to a retail audience that needed it.
- cornstalks 4y ago> larger capacity drives like 2TB ones to load all of those games that you’re totally going to play someday That sarcasm at the end hits just perfectly.
- krolden 4y agoI do not suggest these drives for your steam deck unless you're planning on using it docked all the time, or dont card about battery life. They use more power than the stock ssd and these WD ones consume up to 15w which will kill your battery life pretty quickly. Also they seem to run much warmer than the ones shipped with the deck. Also why buy from framework? Their price is no better than anywhere else. Sounds like they're just trying to cash in on a new market.
- cooperadymas 4y agoIt answers right there in sentence 3 _why buy from Framework_. > the handheld Steam Deck relies on the physically smaller but less common 2230 format. As a result, it can be difficult to find legitimate sources for larger capacity drives ... Since we order a huge number of Western Digital drives already, it’s relatively easy for us to add one more line item > Sounds like they're just trying to cash in on a new market. So, business 101? What's the problem? They're offering a legitimate product for a legitimate market trying to solve a legitimate problem they identified.
- krolden 4y agoThese are quite readily available from many other retailers and sometimes for even cheaper than $300. My guess is they had plans to release a 2tb storage module with these inside them but people aren't actually buying the 1tb modules so they decided to sell them for use in steam deck. If business 101 is marketing to fanboys then I guess you're right.
- moelf 4y ago>These are quite readily available from many other retailers and sometimes for even cheaper than $300. https://www.google.com/search?q=Western+Digital+SN740+NVMe+2230 where? Aliexpress and eBay?
- cooperadymas 4y ago> If business 101 is marketing to fanboys then I guess you're right. Basically, yes?
- water-your-self 4y agoFramework laptop came with a broken MoBo and a broken display. Working with support to prove my malfunctioning hardware has been a many months ongoing struggle
- vaylian 4y ago> You may be thinking "what?" Exactly. But I guess it makes sense, because Framework wants to occupy the economic niche of repairable electronics. And the Steam Deck is definitely a good starting point for expansion, so that they can serve a bigger market.
- animex 4y agoSpace is a huge issue which I didn't take into consideration when buying the lowest/cheapest Steam Deck. This is a welcome relief.
- nateb2022 4y agodang, this is a dupe of https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34729196 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34729196 (1 day ago, 31 points, 7 comments). Move comments and mark dupe?
- fooker 4y agoMy next Linux laptop is going to be a Framework! Seems like a much better bet nowadays than a thinkpad.
- bodge5000 4y agoI'm really tempted, but thinkpads are still just about edging ahead for me (1) Entirely subjective, but I think they look better (2) I like the trackpoint and (3) AMD is an option. I dont have any problem with intel cpu's, but amd provides far better igpu's, certainly enough to play a lot of games at lower settings.
- snvzz 4y agoOnce they offer AMD options. Until then, there's no way.
- worldofmatthew 4y agoAMD CPUs are much better for laptop as they tend to scale better at acceptable power draw levels for something battery powered while retaining good performance. Intel has the lead on the low power/low performance stuff.
- sph 4y agoSame, but I don't care much about Team Blue vs Red. The Intel-driven power saving fiasco of the latest generation of Framework laptops is enough to keep me away. I should not have to add weird kernel parameters or modules for my laptop not to burn through its battery during sleep.
- PrimeDirective 4y agoI'm out of the loop, what was the fiasco?
- rwalle 4y agoThese may help: https://www.notebookcheck.net/Core-i5-beats-Core-i7-Alder-Lake-P-creates-problems-for-manufacturers-and-customers.621251.0.html https://www.notebookcheck.net/Core-i5-beats-Core-i7-Alder-La... https://wccftech.com/intel-alder-lake-desktop-cpus-more-power-hungry-than-rocket-lake-comet-lake-chips/ https://wccftech.com/intel-alder-lake-desktop-cpus-more-powe... Basically the P CPUs are much faster than U in previous generations but are also much more power hungry. The battery life is noticably shorter on laptops with a CPU like i5-1240P. And they produce a LOT of heat. I think one CPU option for framework laptop is i5-1240P.
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- ncallaway 4y agoA) This is very cool, and I’m sorely tempted to get one. B) I think the disclaimer on the product page that it isn’t compatible with the framework should be larger and more prominent. I feel like one sentence at the end of the product description might not be enough warning.
- teaearlgraycold 4y agoI mean... it is compatible. Just not in a clean way. You'd have to prop it up and tape it in place.
- ncallaway 4y agoWell, on the linked product page they chose to write: “This item is not compatible with the Framework Laptop.” Since they think it’s not compatible, I think that warning should be more prominent.
- teaearlgraycold 4y agoI’m just saying if I bought it by mistake I’d must make it work rather than return it. When all you need is a little tape and cardboard is no big deal. I understand why they have a warning, but even if you miss it you’re nowhere close to screwed.
- ranger207 4y agoExample: https://old.reddit.com/r/framework/comments/103ap24/in_case_you_where_wondering_if_the_wificard_slot/ https://old.reddit.com/r/framework/comments/103ap24/in_case_...
- mort96 4y agoNah that's not good enough. It might be electrically compatible, but is certainly not physically compatible. And if it was "compatible" according to framework's definition, why would they add a compatibility warning at all?
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- merpkz 4y agoI guess that's better than buying 4x 512GB micro sdcards to juggle around, trying to remember which game was on which exact card or where you might have lost one.
- shaan7 4y agoBut in that moment you relived the joys of game cartridges :D
- ThatPlayer 4y agoOr PS1/PS2-era memory cards. Cartridges are easy since they're labelled, but is my Final Fantasy save on my red or blue memory card?
- Rychard 4y agoOr those third-party memory cards that had multiple "pages" that could be switched via a tactile button. "I know it's on here somewhere."
- ZiiS 4y agoThe SSD is much faster too; though only a few games benifit (SD card is still fast).
- delecti 4y agoThe SSD itself might be, but the Deck can't read off them enough faster to make a huge difference.
- ZiiS 4y agoI had not heard that? It should be able to fully utilise PCIe Gen 3 x4 NVMe drives that are increadably fast. This will be night and day with the best SD card in many common computing tasks. However is often hidden in games (many expecting to load off snails pace optical discs) where they are only sequentially accessing a few GB whilst showing their publisher's logo anyway.
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- ThatMedicIsASpy 4y agoWas this well tested when it comes to the Deck? Valve said they were very careful in choosing their ssd in terms of power draw and wifi interference. While I've replaced my PC with my Deck+Dock storage is one area where I would definitely want more. There are some quirks I've run into - like KDE has found 7 displays for my 3 total (Built-in + 2x 1080p) resulting in some weird panel movements when docking/undocking.
- theodric 4y agoI put a WD 740 2TB 2230 SSD into mine and it works exactly as before, only with far more space.
- jackmott42 4y agoThat is the sort of thing companies say to make you afraid to go 3rd party. Pretty rare that it ever has any practical bearing in reality. And Framework has real engineers so its not likely this would be one of those times.
- xdrosenheim 4y agoI do not see why Steam would try to make people afraid of getting third-party modifications, when there are no first-party modifications. Also, it is Steam/VALVe, they usually do not care.
- bodge5000 4y agoOff topic but are you using your Deck as your main pc then? How are you finding it?
- ThatMedicIsASpy 4y agoImmutable OS - non flatpak stuff vanishes after a major update. Use podman + distrobox/toolbox to keep things and install packages - similar to Fedora Silverblue. As I said my display situation is a bit weird. On the dock I have two 1080p monitors. KDE Panels sometimes disappear and need to be moved. https://i.imgur.com/Ipvj8L4.png https://i.imgur.com/Ipvj8L4.png (eDP is build in display) Other than that there is a complete silence in my room and I don't need much stuff for web dev. The only desktop game I play is dota 2 and I can live with lowered gfx settings.
- LAC-Tech 4y agodamn I wish I could buy one of these without getting slapped by custom fees.
- albrewer 4y agoWhat's stopping you from getting someone to buy it, open and re-pack it, then ship it to you as "lol whoops you forgot your Steam Deck at my house, this totally isn't a commercial sale that you have to pay VAT on haha"
- phreack 4y agoHalf the world doesn't even get the option or even a waitlist. I've stopped caring at this point about the Deck because of it.
- sschueller 4y agoI have given up that they will ever be available in Switzerland.
- nisegami 4y agoThat's a problem with your government's policies, no?
- LAC-Tech 4y agoYes, 100%.
- pantalaimon 4y agoIt's a normal Western Digital part, you may also get it from other vendors https://www.westerndigital.com/de-de/products/internal-drives/pc-sn740-ssd#SDDPTQE-2T00 https://www.westerndigital.com/de-de/products/internal-drive...
- universa1 4y agoi bought one of these on ebay for my asus x13, as that also only allows 2230 ssds... so far it is working fine :-) still at a large premium over 2280 ssds, though. But even though in principal booting and working from a usb-c attached ssd works fine, it is still some "friction", and one less port available... at least the next asus x13 is switching to the "standard"-format for the ssd, iirc.
- ctippett 4y agoThe 2230 M.2 drives really are quite uncommon. I ended up purchasing a second-hand Samsung PM991 256GB drive off eBay for £27 when I upgraded my Steam Deck. I'm not hugely impressed with the price, but I certainly appreciate Framework making more of these drives available.
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- _piif 4y agoHeh and I just retrofitted mine with a 1tb one from dell, perhaps I should've waited a bit longer
- boomboomsubban 4y agoIf all that's necessary is ordering these from WD, what's stopping newegg and the like from also stocking them? I don't really get why they're trying to move in on this market. Sure it probably doesn't take a ton of extra work, but I also don't imagine many random consumers are going to think to check frame.work for their Steam Deck upgrade HD. And I doubt there's much overlap between people buying a new laptop and trying to get more Steam Deck HD space. A few people accidentally buying this drive for their framework seems like it'd make the negatives outweigh the positives.
- BillinghamJ 4y agoPerhaps their thinking is that the kind of people who are into the Steam Deck (especially those who might want to tinker with it a bit) are the same kind of people who might consider a laptop like this. It seems a lot of the idealogical approach/framing is similar between the two. So get it well known in the SD community -> maybe sell more laptops
- sigwinch28 4y agoFinding and creating products to sell to your target demographic, rather than finding a demographic to target your products at? When you’re in a gold rush, sell picks and shovels...
- BillinghamJ 4y agoWell it seems like it's working: - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34739278 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34739278 - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34736700 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34736700
- robbiet480 4y agoI’ve been waiting for this for a while now. Planning on opening my 512GB Steam Deck to do the following upgrades in one sitting: - 2TB SSD - GuliKit Hall Effect Joysticks upgrade - JSAUX transparent backplate with new cooling solution + new back buttons I think all three of these will seriously improve my Steam Deck experience which is already amazing. It’s my favorite gadget and really helps me blow through my years long Steam backlog.
- jorvi 4y agoI wish someone would make.. I don’t know what to call them, ‘low profile slide’ sticks for the Steam Deck. I vaguely remember using a device with them in the past. Instead of being a joystick that you angle, it’s a stick that you ‘slide’ around in the joystick hole. Way more comfortable for a mobile device IMO.
- PaulBGD_ 4y agoWas it the 3DS perhaps?
- jpk 4y agoYep, Nintendo called them circle pads.
- addandsubtract 4y agoThe PSP had joysticks like this
- robotnikman 4y agoI remember Sony made a smartphone with those once. Man I remember really wanting that one.
- robbiet480 4y agoAlso I’m hoping someone does a OLED mod some day but I’ve learned that the screen size/resolution isn’t common so might not be possible.
- LoveMortuus 4y agoI wonder what the next generation of SteamDeck will be like!
- wlesieutre 4y agohttps://arstechnica.com/gaming/2022/12/steam-deck-2-0-could-focus-on-battery-life-over-better-performance/ https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2022/12/steam-deck-2-0-could-...
- dolmen 4y agoIt is possible to buy the 64 GB eMMC Steam Deck and to upgrade it with an SSD, or is the hardware different?
- robbiet480 4y agoThe only differences on the 64GB and 256GB models compared to the 512GB model are that the screen doesn’t have the anti-glare etching and you don’t get as nice of a case. Also you don’t get some software perks like special keyboard styles.
- _piif 4y agoThe anti glare etched glass is exclusive to the 512GB model - for whatever reason. I can't imagine it costing that much more to produce and I wish they'd have just put it on every model.
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- robbiet480 4y agoThat’s what I was trying to say but lacked coffee. Fixed now.
- klausa 4y agoI wish they just made it an option to choose — I hate the matte effect, but I want the model with most storage. If I used my Deck more than I actually do, I'd genuinely consider getting the 256GB model and upgrading the storage, just to get the glossy screen.
- dihydro 4y agoIt's definitely not a matte screen, but a coating that cuts the worst of the glare. Kind of like a decent phone screen. Of course, I just wanted the storage, and then I put a glass screen protector on right away, making the glare even worse... Here is a blog post that shows the differences most realistically to my perception of it. https://www.louis993546.com/steam-deck-notes/ https://www.louis993546.com/steam-deck-notes/
- esperent 4y agoI realized that it'll be years before I can buy a Steamdeck where I live. However, the frustration led me to discover something even better: it's possible to stream games to a tablet from my laptop (which is way more powerful than a Steamdeck). So I bought a a clip on gamepad and attached it to a 10 inch tablet. The weight comes in within 10g of the Steamdeck and streaming over Moonlight is surprisingly easy to set up. Parsec is another app that looks interesting and you'll need to use that if you have an AMD card. So now I can play an a super high quality 10 inch screen with zero fan noises and hours of battery life. I've played through most of Stray and it's a gorgeous game. I still need to do some work - the gamepad I bought (Ipega 9083s) clips on quite low on the tablet which makes it a bit top heavy. It's also very cheap and the d-pad is a bit crappy. Neither is a deal breaker for a casual gamer. However in the future I'll get a better quality gamepad. There's surprisingly few that can attach to a tablet but I've seen examples of people DIYing it with a Razer mobile gamepad that is designed for a Samsung Galaxy and it looks pretty easy. You can probably just detach the two halves and glue them onto the tablet cover in a stylish looking way if you have decent DIY chops and a dremel. Oh and you'll also need a HDMI dongle to create a fake screen on the pc, then give it the same resolution as your tablet. These cost about a euro. Bonus: I now have zero interest in buying a Steamdeck.
- oblio 4y ago> However, the frustration led me to discover something even better: it's possible to stream games to a tablet from my laptop (which is way more powerful than a Steamdeck). How do you stream?
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- xearl 4y ago> Bonus: I now have zero interest in buying a Steamdeck. It's still an absolutely amazing piece of hardware. So definitely play around with it, if you ever come across one.
- snapwood 4y agoI wanted the SteamDeck, but I was concerned about the fan noise when gaming next to my SO in bed at night. I have a Gamesir X2 Pro on a Samsung A7 Lite 8.7" that cost me about $150 to put together. The X2 Pro doesn't normally expand out that far, but you can take a pocket knife and just cut off the two clips preventing that expansion. Super easy to do. The only down side is the USB-C passthrough charging doesn't work. I also use moonlight, but the best part is installing PSPlay and connecting to my PS4 Pro. That gives me the suspend/resume/sleep capabilities that make the SteamDeck so popular for quick sessions and Ghost of Tsushima on this setup looks unbelievable for a 6 year old console.
- rjzzleep 4y agoDoes anyone know if this works in Lenovo WWAN slots? is it one sided or double sided? Side rant, I hate how most manufacturers don't show if their SSD's are single or double sided. For example you might buy a 2TB version that's single sided and then have the same one at 4TB be double sided which no hint anywhere.
- tbyehl 4y ago> Does anyone know if this works in Lenovo WWAN slots? Doubtful. M.2 slots for WWAN normally have different keying than M.2 slots for storage.
- xearl 4y agoThese are single-sided, the Steam Deck requires a single-sided M.2 2230. Agreed that frame.work should mention that in their shop listing.
- onlypositive 4y agoLenovo started whitelisting their wwan slots a while ago didnt they?
- rjzzleep 4y agoYes they did, but it seems like that white listing only blocks other WWAN cards.
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