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you are not responding to my argument. if a single UPS worker has demands, sure, they will just be fired, but why cannot every single UPS worker have their own

you are not responding to my argument. if a single UPS worker has demands, sure, they will just be fired, but why cannot every single UPS worker have their own set of demands? why must they scheme and plot together? if the demands of the union is reasonably similar to what the individual feels anyway, why cant they just put up those constraints directly in the job negotiations? if UPS can then find enough guys that truly do not care about no aircondition, or feels that the compensation is fair for services rendered(including conditions thereof), is that not fine? do delivery drivers that demands aircondition have a divine right to get their way?

TaylorAlexander 4y ago
I did in fact directly respond to your argument. Whether you like my response is another thing. > why must they scheme and plot together? Because it is effective. > do delivery drivers that demands aircondition have a divine right to get their way? Nope. But they absolutely do have the capability to organize. And if they decide that organizing is in their interest, they will do so. Although I do believe unions are generally good, this is not about right or wrong. This is about interests. It is in the interest of the business to pay the workers as little as possible, and it is in the interest of the workers to find ways to raise their pay and other benefits. They can choose to negotiate as individuals or they can choose to form a union. You seem to be grasping for reasons why they don’t need a union, but I don’t find your position tenable. If there were truly no difference between having a union or not having one, then unions would never exist. The truth is there is a long history of unions and we wouldn’t have the 40 hour work week, paid maternity leave, and other benefits if it weren’t for the hard work of union organizing in this country.

TaylorAlexander 4y ago

I did in fact directly respond to your argument. Whether you like my response is another thing. > why must they scheme and plot together? Because it is effective. > do delivery drivers that demands aircondition have a divine right to get their way? Nope. But they absolutely do have the capability to organize. And if they decide that organizing is in their interest, they will do so. Although I do believe unions are generally good, this is not about right or wrong. This is about interests. It is in the interest of the business to pay the workers as little as possible, and it is in the interest of the workers to find ways to raise their pay and other benefits. They can choose to negotiate as individuals or they can choose to form a union. You seem to be grasping for reasons why they don’t need a union, but I don’t find your position tenable. If there were truly no difference between having a union or not having one, then unions would never exist. The truth is there is a long history of unions and we wouldn’t have the 40 hour work week, paid maternity leave, and other benefits if it weren’t for the hard work of union organizing in this country.