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But look at this closely, with engagement. Currently, they are on strike, so tuition remissions cannot be issued. If that remains the case until March 6th, th

But look at this closely, with engagement. Currently, they are on strike, so tuition remissions cannot be issued. If that remains the case until March 6th, they will need to pay. If the strike is resolved before March 6th, and then they still refuse to issue the remissions, that would be a significant violation.

jahewson 4y ago
No because the loss of benefits extends to a period outside of the strike. It’s like taking somebody’s entire year of wages because they went on strike for a couple of weeks.
- IG_Semmelweiss 4y ago
  the law doesn't make room for proration. There is prob some room for a judge to side with students after protacted litigation, but the university is banking on them leaving and not earning the fringe benefit, (and therefore, willingly foregoing the fringe benefit making the university not liable) so it probably matters little.
kenjackson 4y ago
Actually they are saying the remission will not be issued even if they end the strike now. They are claiming they gave them fair warning.
- secabeen 4y ago
  If true, that is reprehensible.
sodality2 4y ago
> “Any Temple employee that decides to strike forfeits their pay and complete benefits package,” explained Temple University senior vice president and chief operating officer Ken Kaiser. “Tuition remission is part of the TUGSA benefit package. Therefore, they are no longer eligible.” Heavily implies that it's irreversible.
jcranmer 4y ago
> Currently, they are on strike, so tuition remissions cannot be issued. That's... not how tuition remissions work. The remission would have been issued before the semester starts (as tuition bills are generally do at the very beginning of the semester). You're also putting a lot of faith in an entity that goes to considerable effort to monetarily punish people for striking [1] is going to be willing, out of the kindness of its heart, to go through that effort again to reward people for no longer striking. I do not think it wise to rely on that faith. [1] This is basically retroactive actions in terms of finance, not to mention that this probably causes issues for grants that are supposed to be used for tuition remissions no longer being used for this.
- IG_Semmelweiss 4y ago
  The mechanics matter little. What matters is comp. Temple can stop all comp until strike resolves. It doesn't matter if comp is cash, or noncash. Just like RSUs, or Bonuses, or any fringe benefits promised, doesn't matter if lump sum or awarded monthly, or the timing, those benefits simply stop. The law allows all comp to stop. The law is not saying you are supposed to prorate, etc.

jahewson 4y ago

No because the loss of benefits extends to a period outside of the strike. It’s like taking somebody’s entire year of wages because they went on strike for a couple of weeks.

IG_Semmelweiss 4y ago
the law doesn't make room for proration. There is prob some room for a judge to side with students after protacted litigation, but the university is banking on them leaving and not earning the fringe benefit, (and therefore, willingly foregoing the fringe benefit making the university not liable) so it probably matters little.

kenjackson 4y ago

Actually they are saying the remission will not be issued even if they end the strike now. They are claiming they gave them fair warning.

secabeen 4y ago
If true, that is reprehensible.

sodality2 4y ago

> “Any Temple employee that decides to strike forfeits their pay and complete benefits package,” explained Temple University senior vice president and chief operating officer Ken Kaiser. “Tuition remission is part of the TUGSA benefit package. Therefore, they are no longer eligible.” Heavily implies that it's irreversible.

jcranmer 4y ago

> Currently, they are on strike, so tuition remissions cannot be issued. That's... not how tuition remissions work. The remission would have been issued before the semester starts (as tuition bills are generally do at the very beginning of the semester). You're also putting a lot of faith in an entity that goes to considerable effort to monetarily punish people for striking [1] is going to be willing, out of the kindness of its heart, to go through that effort again to reward people for no longer striking. I do not think it wise to rely on that faith. [1] This is basically retroactive actions in terms of finance, not to mention that this probably causes issues for grants that are supposed to be used for tuition remissions no longer being used for this.

IG_Semmelweiss 4y ago
The mechanics matter little. What matters is comp. Temple can stop all comp until strike resolves. It doesn't matter if comp is cash, or noncash. Just like RSUs, or Bonuses, or any fringe benefits promised, doesn't matter if lump sum or awarded monthly, or the timing, those benefits simply stop. The law allows all comp to stop. The law is not saying you are supposed to prorate, etc.