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In my experience, CRUD apps are complicated with business requirements and therefore bespoke business logic. AI will definitely assist with getting apps up and

In my experience, CRUD apps are complicated with business requirements and therefore bespoke business logic. AI will definitely assist with getting apps up and running but there will still need to be someone who takes the requirements, turns it into a functional product, updates it, maintains it and owns it. I doubt it will be business/stakeholder people interacting with the AI. It could potentially be business analysts but I doubt they'll want to. It would be an addition to their current job. That leaves the software engineers. Maybe a lot of software engineers will turn into _solution_ engineers or _product_ engineers. Their job will be to create the solution/product even if they're not writing code.

ActorNightly 4y ago
>Their job will be to create the solution/product even if they're not writing code. Yep. You can make a good argument that today, any technical profession doesn't have to know as much because of existing software in most any given sector, whether its CAD software with built in stress/CFD analysis for mechanical parts, or frameworks for actual software development that are larger building blocks then pure code. In the same way, future software engineers will likely be using generative software based on models like GPT that can take plaintext English and translate it into code. There will still be knowledge required of which model to run, what the parameters do, how to tweak the output, e.t.c Of course, in the further future (although exponentially less time), those engineers will no longer be needed because there will be general models trained on all of their work as well. But really though, at that point, we wouldn't be that far from AGI.
ehutch79 4y ago
Often the business requirements are non-sensical, contradicting, or pointless. Someone has to actually figure out what they mean without pissing off steakholders. Remember, this isn't actually AI, it's machine learning, and the learning part is a misnomer.
- xupybd 4y ago
  > Often the business requirements are non-sensical, contradicting, or pointless. Someone has to actually figure out what they mean without pissing off steakholders. That reminded me very much of this skit "The Expert". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKorP55Aqvg&ab_channel=LaurisBeinerts https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKorP55Aqvg&ab_channel=Lauri...
MuffinFlavored 4y ago
I'm pretty sure I get paid to take everybody's collective best guess at what requirements should be (sometimes with way too many people involved giving their concerns/opinions, or just not being able to get anybody's attention and everybody rubber stamping it/half-assing it), put it in QA/CAT/UAT, let somebody else bang on it, then we all figure out in our effort to try to not miss anything, we missed a bunch of massive design flaws. Then we go back to the beginning or scramble to fix it really fast, and the whole design repeats itself. At least that's what it feels like I get paid to do...
- uxcolumbo 4y ago
  Ha, sounds familiar. I doubt AI will be able to automate that sophisticated process ;) I suppose AI needs to be able to reason and we are still a long long time away from AGI according to experts. Btw, what’s the CAT step?
  - MuffinFlavored 4y ago
    client accessible testing/user accessible testing another environment before prod but not internal only so our “clients” can hit it for testing
    - uxcolumbo 4y ago
      Thanks. Where I've worked we only had Dev > QA > UAT > Prod - so not heard of CAT before.

ActorNightly 4y ago

>Their job will be to create the solution/product even if they're not writing code. Yep. You can make a good argument that today, any technical profession doesn't have to know as much because of existing software in most any given sector, whether its CAD software with built in stress/CFD analysis for mechanical parts, or frameworks for actual software development that are larger building blocks then pure code. In the same way, future software engineers will likely be using generative software based on models like GPT that can take plaintext English and translate it into code. There will still be knowledge required of which model to run, what the parameters do, how to tweak the output, e.t.c Of course, in the further future (although exponentially less time), those engineers will no longer be needed because there will be general models trained on all of their work as well. But really though, at that point, we wouldn't be that far from AGI.

ehutch79 4y ago

Often the business requirements are non-sensical, contradicting, or pointless. Someone has to actually figure out what they mean without pissing off steakholders. Remember, this isn't actually AI, it's machine learning, and the learning part is a misnomer.

xupybd 4y ago
> Often the business requirements are non-sensical, contradicting, or pointless. Someone has to actually figure out what they mean without pissing off steakholders. That reminded me very much of this skit "The Expert". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKorP55Aqvg&ab_channel=LaurisBeinerts https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKorP55Aqvg&ab_channel=Lauri...

MuffinFlavored 4y ago

I'm pretty sure I get paid to take everybody's collective best guess at what requirements should be (sometimes with way too many people involved giving their concerns/opinions, or just not being able to get anybody's attention and everybody rubber stamping it/half-assing it), put it in QA/CAT/UAT, let somebody else bang on it, then we all figure out in our effort to try to not miss anything, we missed a bunch of massive design flaws. Then we go back to the beginning or scramble to fix it really fast, and the whole design repeats itself. At least that's what it feels like I get paid to do...

uxcolumbo 4y ago
Ha, sounds familiar. I doubt AI will be able to automate that sophisticated process ;) I suppose AI needs to be able to reason and we are still a long long time away from AGI according to experts. Btw, what’s the CAT step?
- MuffinFlavored 4y ago
  client accessible testing/user accessible testing another environment before prod but not internal only so our “clients” can hit it for testing
  - uxcolumbo 4y ago
    Thanks. Where I've worked we only had Dev > QA > UAT > Prod - so not heard of CAT before.