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Tesla has already admitted to deactivating driver assist systems when they detect unavoidable accidents. As for not seeing FSD behavior in that video...I do. I

Tesla has already admitted to deactivating driver assist systems when they detect unavoidable accidents. As for not seeing FSD behavior in that video...I do. It looks like the idiot Teslas I see every morning on my commute, randomly braking and swerving like drunk frat boys.

ajross 4y ago
> It looks like the idiot Teslas I see every morning on my commute, randomly braking and swerving like drunk frat boys. Yeah, that's what all these arguments always come down to. They start with "safety" and end with simple emotion. Look, I'm genuinely sorry there are jerks in Teslas near you. But they're just that: perfectly human jerks driving like perfectly normal human beings. Please don't project your hatred of the culture, or Musk, or EVs, or whatever on the safety aspects of the system. Also: call a friend and get a ride. They're pretty amazing vehicles. You'd be stunned at how fun it is to have a robot drive you around.
- gamblor956 4y ago
  It's truly bizarre that you are blaming the humans for the poor self driving by the car. My coworker gave me a ride in his Tesla 2 months ago, on the roads near SpaceX's facility in SoCal. During the 15 minute ride FSD tried to cross over into the opposing lanes, ran a red, narrowly avoided hitting a cyclist (because the cyclist swerved away to save his life) and failed to recognize half of the cars on the road with us. It was a terrifying experience. And he said it was not much worse than his normal commute with FSD.
  - ajross 4y ago
    Huh. Mine took my kid to diving practice this afternoon. Weird world. Just please stop with the hate. That's really all I'm asking. If there's data let's argue about data. But once you jump off into "idiot Teslas randomly braking and swerving like drunk frat boys" there's no coming back to rational discourse.
  - haliskerbas 4y ago
    My favorite one is when you’re stopped at a red light in a Tesla, and the on screen display shows the stationary cars and features around you bouncing around. If that’s what it sees when it’s still, idk how to trust it when it’s moving.
    - ajross 4y ago
      It's just so amazingly frustrating to have these discussions where people get so close to understanding and then willfully turn away. I mean, try this yourself! Pull up to a stop light, close your eyes, and recite the distances to and orientations of the nearest five or six vehicles. Now read it off the screen. Think you'll beat the car? Really? In fact, no, it's quite clear that the car, with 360 degrees of camera coverage at 30 Hz and no fovea or neck scanning required, has a vastly better picture of its surroundings than the driver. It's not even close. But yeah, the esimates aren't precise and yeah, they do jump around[1]. You're absolutely correct about the way the modelling works. You're just disastrously wrong about the way that the competing systems perform. [1] I will grant that there's probably a human factors issue here. In fact the human driver really can't do much to process that display and it's probably best that details like just be left out or filtered down to a minimal subset.
      - statop 4y ago
        That isn't how humans work. In any case, most humans are capable of FSD. Your Tesla isn't. No one cares about 360 degree 30Hz cameras. Just like two eyes aren't the solution to driving. Lots of animals have two eyes, most of them won't ever drive a vehicle. Other commenter "My coworker gave me a ride in his Tesla ... FSD tried to cross over into the opposing lanes, ran a red, narrowly avoided hitting a cyclist" Your reply "Huh. FSD (Mine) took my kid to diving practice this afternoon. Weird world. Just please stop with the hate." I'm not sure what you hope to prove by replying to anecdotes about unacceptable autopilot with anecdotes about acceptable autopilot? It doesn't mean everyone else is a hater any more than you're a shill. It just means autopilot performance across hardware and environmental factors is not within the envelope it needs to be. Maybe try replacing "FSD" in these comments with the names of two fictional friends. "Steve tried to cross over into the opposing lanes, ran a red, narrowly avoided hitting a cyclist" "Huh. Rick took my kid to diving practice this afternoon. Weird world. Just please stop with the hate." Should we trust Steve because Rick is a good driver?

ajross 4y ago

> It looks like the idiot Teslas I see every morning on my commute, randomly braking and swerving like drunk frat boys. Yeah, that's what all these arguments always come down to. They start with "safety" and end with simple emotion. Look, I'm genuinely sorry there are jerks in Teslas near you. But they're just that: perfectly human jerks driving like perfectly normal human beings. Please don't project your hatred of the culture, or Musk, or EVs, or whatever on the safety aspects of the system. Also: call a friend and get a ride. They're pretty amazing vehicles. You'd be stunned at how fun it is to have a robot drive you around.

gamblor956 4y ago
It's truly bizarre that you are blaming the humans for the poor self driving by the car. My coworker gave me a ride in his Tesla 2 months ago, on the roads near SpaceX's facility in SoCal. During the 15 minute ride FSD tried to cross over into the opposing lanes, ran a red, narrowly avoided hitting a cyclist (because the cyclist swerved away to save his life) and failed to recognize half of the cars on the road with us. It was a terrifying experience. And he said it was not much worse than his normal commute with FSD.
- ajross 4y ago
  Huh. Mine took my kid to diving practice this afternoon. Weird world. Just please stop with the hate. That's really all I'm asking. If there's data let's argue about data. But once you jump off into "idiot Teslas randomly braking and swerving like drunk frat boys" there's no coming back to rational discourse.
- haliskerbas 4y ago
  My favorite one is when you’re stopped at a red light in a Tesla, and the on screen display shows the stationary cars and features around you bouncing around. If that’s what it sees when it’s still, idk how to trust it when it’s moving.
  - ajross 4y ago
    It's just so amazingly frustrating to have these discussions where people get so close to understanding and then willfully turn away. I mean, try this yourself! Pull up to a stop light, close your eyes, and recite the distances to and orientations of the nearest five or six vehicles. Now read it off the screen. Think you'll beat the car? Really? In fact, no, it's quite clear that the car, with 360 degrees of camera coverage at 30 Hz and no fovea or neck scanning required, has a vastly better picture of its surroundings than the driver. It's not even close. But yeah, the esimates aren't precise and yeah, they do jump around[1]. You're absolutely correct about the way the modelling works. You're just disastrously wrong about the way that the competing systems perform. [1] I will grant that there's probably a human factors issue here. In fact the human driver really can't do much to process that display and it's probably best that details like just be left out or filtered down to a minimal subset.
    - statop 4y ago
      That isn't how humans work. In any case, most humans are capable of FSD. Your Tesla isn't. No one cares about 360 degree 30Hz cameras. Just like two eyes aren't the solution to driving. Lots of animals have two eyes, most of them won't ever drive a vehicle. Other commenter "My coworker gave me a ride in his Tesla ... FSD tried to cross over into the opposing lanes, ran a red, narrowly avoided hitting a cyclist" Your reply "Huh. FSD (Mine) took my kid to diving practice this afternoon. Weird world. Just please stop with the hate." I'm not sure what you hope to prove by replying to anecdotes about unacceptable autopilot with anecdotes about acceptable autopilot? It doesn't mean everyone else is a hater any more than you're a shill. It just means autopilot performance across hardware and environmental factors is not within the envelope it needs to be. Maybe try replacing "FSD" in these comments with the names of two fictional friends. "Steve tried to cross over into the opposing lanes, ran a red, narrowly avoided hitting a cyclist" "Huh. Rick took my kid to diving practice this afternoon. Weird world. Just please stop with the hate." Should we trust Steve because Rick is a good driver?