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Seems very cool, the only problem seems to be that it isn't bootable. I hope that this might get the Linux folks a bit more serious about modern resilient files

Seems very cool, the only problem seems to be that it isn't bootable. I hope that this might get the Linux folks a bit more serious about modern resilient filesystems.

mbell 15y ago
Most or all of what was discussed is supported by ZFS (which you can use via FUSE in linux) and the vast majority is either already available or part of the planned feature set for btrfs, which will probably be the primary FS of linux moving forward. The 'Linux folks' have been working on this for quite awhile, if it weren't for licensing incompatibilities with ZFS, they'd likely already have it.
- ComputerGuru 15y ago
  The 'Linux folks' have been working on this for quite awhile, if it weren't for licensing incompatibilities with ZFS, they'd likely already have it. If you'll pardon my saying so, that's because it's not 'the Linux folks' that have been working on it - it's other non-'Linux folk' companies (cough RIP, Sun cough) that took it upon themselves to make a better filesystem for their (coincidentally, and nothing to do with Linux) open source operating systems. The closest the 'Linux folks' got was ReiserFS under Hans Reieser, who's work was largely rejected by the mainstream 'Linux folks' working on the kernel... until the months just before his arrest and conviction for the murder of his wife. ZFS has as much to do with Linux as NTFS has to do with Linux - developed wholly outside of the Linux community by people not in the Linux community nor associated with the Linux community, with implementations available for Linux that are not redistributable with the kernel for patent- or licensing-related reasons. But, yes, BtrFS (developed by Oracle) is indeed a 'Linux folk' attempt at creating a modern filesystem. And BtrFS does indeed predate ReFS.
  - mappu 15y ago
    Note that booting from BtrFS is pretty difficult, if at all possible, putting it on similar footing to ReFS/Protogon.
    - mbell 15y ago
      The GRUB update in May 2011 added support for booting both ZFS and btrfs. If your having issue all you need to do is update grub to get proper support.
- icebraining 15y ago
  which you can use via FUSE in linux There's also a native port: http://zfsonlinux.org/ http://zfsonlinux.org/
detay 15y ago
Quote: "With this in mind, we will implement ReFS in a staged evolution of the feature: first as a storage system for Windows Server, then as storage for clients, and then ultimately as a boot volume. This is the same approach we have used with new file systems in the past." So it will be a bootable FS eventually.
tlb 15y ago
If the boot partition has to be some other non-resilient FS, the whole system isn't very resilient.
obtu 15y ago
Grub can boot off BtrFS filesystems. There is one caveat remaining (bug 759772: grub's core.img needs to be embedded in the correct part of the btrfs partition). When using GPT (required with large disks) that part is already safely located on a 1MB GPT boot partition.

Seems very cool, the only problem seems to be that it isn't bootable. I hope that this might get the Linux folks a bit more serious about modern resilient filesystems.

mbell 15y ago

Most or all of what was discussed is supported by ZFS (which you can use via FUSE in linux) and the vast majority is either already available or part of the planned feature set for btrfs, which will probably be the primary FS of linux moving forward. The 'Linux folks' have been working on this for quite awhile, if it weren't for licensing incompatibilities with ZFS, they'd likely already have it.

ComputerGuru 15y ago
The 'Linux folks' have been working on this for quite awhile, if it weren't for licensing incompatibilities with ZFS, they'd likely already have it. If you'll pardon my saying so, that's because it's not 'the Linux folks' that have been working on it - it's other non-'Linux folk' companies (cough RIP, Sun cough) that took it upon themselves to make a better filesystem for their (coincidentally, and nothing to do with Linux) open source operating systems. The closest the 'Linux folks' got was ReiserFS under Hans Reieser, who's work was largely rejected by the mainstream 'Linux folks' working on the kernel... until the months just before his arrest and conviction for the murder of his wife. ZFS has as much to do with Linux as NTFS has to do with Linux - developed wholly outside of the Linux community by people not in the Linux community nor associated with the Linux community, with implementations available for Linux that are not redistributable with the kernel for patent- or licensing-related reasons. But, yes, BtrFS (developed by Oracle) is indeed a 'Linux folk' attempt at creating a modern filesystem. And BtrFS does indeed predate ReFS.
- mappu 15y ago
  Note that booting from BtrFS is pretty difficult, if at all possible, putting it on similar footing to ReFS/Protogon.
  - mbell 15y ago
    The GRUB update in May 2011 added support for booting both ZFS and btrfs. If your having issue all you need to do is update grub to get proper support.
icebraining 15y ago
which you can use via FUSE in linux There's also a native port: http://zfsonlinux.org/ http://zfsonlinux.org/

detay 15y ago

Quote: "With this in mind, we will implement ReFS in a staged evolution of the feature: first as a storage system for Windows Server, then as storage for clients, and then ultimately as a boot volume. This is the same approach we have used with new file systems in the past." So it will be a bootable FS eventually.

tlb 15y ago

If the boot partition has to be some other non-resilient FS, the whole system isn't very resilient.

obtu 15y ago

Grub can boot off BtrFS filesystems. There is one caveat remaining (bug 759772: grub's core.img needs to be embedded in the correct part of the btrfs partition). When using GPT (required with large disks) that part is already safely located on a 1MB GPT boot partition.