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Fast charging for me at EA is about the same (and sometimes less) than my home rate (PGE E1). EA -> 31¢ / kWh (increasing to 36¢ soon) PGE -> 33¢ / kWh upto b

by DeRock 4y ago

Fast charging for me at EA is about the same (and sometimes less) than my home rate (PGE E1). EA -> 31¢ / kWh (increasing to 36¢ soon) PGE -> 33¢ / kWh upto baseline, 41 ¢ after (and if you're charging your car, you go above baseline) https://www.pge.com/pge_global/common/pdfs/rate-plans/how-rates-work/Residential-Rates-Plan-Pricing.pdf https://www.pge.com/pge_global/common/pdfs/rate-plans/how-ra...

rootusrootus 4y ago
And that is with your extremely high home rates. The national average is about 16 cents. Your base rate is higher than my peak rate. My overnight rate is under 5 cents.
- DeRock 4y ago
  Sure, but California, where PGE operates, is by far the biggest EV market in the US. Which makes the parents comments of > they made it clear that it’s always cheaper to charge at home > Fast chargers are convenient but resellers of municipal electricity are not going to be the most cost efficient option. not necessarily true.
- Sebb767 4y ago
  Assuming the US. In Germany, anything below 45ct/kWh [0] is considered cheap right now. [0] Euro-cent, but the conversion is pretty much 1:1 right now anyway.
  - rootusrootus 4y ago
    Yeah, Europe is getting completely hosed on energy prices. Historically some of that is self-inflicted voluntary price increases, but I imagine that nowadays it's more about that pesky Putin guy disrupting the energy supply.
officeplant 4y ago
That seems vastly cheaper than filling up even my more economic crossover (Kia Sportage) at around $3 a gallon lately. Even cheaper at my local electric rates of $0.15/kWh during peak demand. Now I just need the price of EV's to come down.
- manscrober 4y ago
  Many EVs are actually priced competitively for their specific segment. The issue is that there are 5-10 y/o used ICE cars that are obviously much cheaper, and EVs are generally short right now, so used prices are up.
mrguyorama 4y ago
The rules are extremely different state to state. Some states don't allow fast charging companies to resell their power like that, so they have to charge exclusively for the time you are using the charger, rather than the actual electricity you are using. There's like an entire order of magnitude from the high end to the low end

by DeRock 4y ago

rootusrootus 4y ago

And that is with your extremely high home rates. The national average is about 16 cents. Your base rate is higher than my peak rate. My overnight rate is under 5 cents.

DeRock 4y ago
Sure, but California, where PGE operates, is by far the biggest EV market in the US. Which makes the parents comments of > they made it clear that it’s always cheaper to charge at home > Fast chargers are convenient but resellers of municipal electricity are not going to be the most cost efficient option. not necessarily true.
Sebb767 4y ago
Assuming the US. In Germany, anything below 45ct/kWh [0] is considered cheap right now. [0] Euro-cent, but the conversion is pretty much 1:1 right now anyway.
- rootusrootus 4y ago
  Yeah, Europe is getting completely hosed on energy prices. Historically some of that is self-inflicted voluntary price increases, but I imagine that nowadays it's more about that pesky Putin guy disrupting the energy supply.

officeplant 4y ago

That seems vastly cheaper than filling up even my more economic crossover (Kia Sportage) at around $3 a gallon lately. Even cheaper at my local electric rates of $0.15/kWh during peak demand. Now I just need the price of EV's to come down.

manscrober 4y ago
Many EVs are actually priced competitively for their specific segment. The issue is that there are 5-10 y/o used ICE cars that are obviously much cheaper, and EVs are generally short right now, so used prices are up.

mrguyorama 4y ago

The rules are extremely different state to state. Some states don't allow fast charging companies to resell their power like that, so they have to charge exclusively for the time you are using the charger, rather than the actual electricity you are using. There's like an entire order of magnitude from the high end to the low end