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> I have a shitton of hardware and cables that I'm not going to throw away just for some connector that will be phased out in ten years. Most people already ha

> I have a shitton of hardware and cables that I'm not going to throw away just for some connector that will be phased out in ten years. Most people already have USB-C cables. Apple people often have them b/c of a MacBook or w/e. > On my desktop, sure. On my phone? Why bother? Dark Mode, Ad Blocking, etc. > Disagree Freedom is important, even if you don't need it now. Someone else, maybe you in the future, may need it.

hot_gril 4y ago
> Freedom is important, even if you don't need it now. Someone else, maybe you in the future, may need it. I will switch to Android if I ever need the ability to use my phone like a PC. So far (10-ish years), that hasn't happened.
- BanazirGalbasi 4y ago
  There is an increasing trend of younger generations using phones for tasks that we'd use computers for. I've even heard of cases where students write short essays using Google Docs and their phone rather than pulling out their laptops (although I can't verify these stories). Some social apps (like Hive, an attempted Twitter replacement) don't even have desktop/web versions and require using the mobile app to interact. While you don't use your phone like a PC, I think there's a strong case to be made for allowing for that kind of functionality. However, like you said - you don't need to switch if you don't need that capability. I personally install a lot of apps from FDroid or straight from APK files, but I don't use my phone like a PC like I just described. The range varies, and having that flexibility is nice.
  - hot_gril 4y ago
    Yes some people do work tasks on a phone. There's a difference between that and using a phone like a PC. They aren't moving stuff around a file browser, installing ad-hoc apps, opening a command line, etc. They're still doing things the locked-down way, so the iPhone is fine for them, in fact younger people tend to prefer that.
- miloignis 4y ago
  You are of course free to do whatever you like, but I would like to mention the two dangers I see with that approach: 1. If no-one uses the free version until it's necessary, it might decline and die, and then won't be around to save you. I'd say this is the Firefox / Chrome dynamic currently. 2. If you don't have the freesom to do something, you might not know what you're missing. Re: your comment in another branch, I have done all of "moving stuff around a file browser, installing ad-hoc apps, opening a command line, etc" on my phone in the past 24 hours, and had a great time doing it.
  - hot_gril 4y ago
    1. I'm ok with that. If some day the need for a more open one arises, someone will make it and probably knock off a lot of stuff from the locked-down one. If people want to keep the alternative alive in the meantime, that's cool, but I'm not gonna volunteer. Android isn't at risk of dying out, nor is it very free to begin with, Firefox is though. 2. I hardly even use the feature set the iPhone already gives me. I used to jailbreak my iPhone too, just for fun, but that was a long time ago. There's a reason phones aren't centered around a graphical file system. I'm a power user on my Mac and my Linux servers, that's enough for me.
6nf 4y ago
Apple is moving to wireless instead of cables so who cares when it's only used for charging? I can use my iPhone as a webcam, my iPods Max for audio, and two Macbooks can be placed next to each other to share one keyboard and move browser sessions between them. All wireless. I can even use the phone for internet connectivity while using the phone as a webcam for the macbooks. Zero cables! I mean sure it would be slightly nicer to have my iPhone and iPods use the same USB-C charging port but I wouldn't choose Android and give up all of convenience of 'just works' wireless interop with all my devices.
- smokelegend 4y ago
  Silly apple boys, android has been doing wireless charging for years.... It's shyte like this that makes me giggle at the Apple boys and girls they swear up an down when Apple does something android does its "revolutionary" for all... fuck out of here wit that shyte. Despite what some may think, there are more Android developers [Hardware/Software] then apple developers in this world. That is why Android will always be ahead of the game regardless what Apple does. Old wise tail: You can polish a turd with bells and whistles, however it's still a turd no matter how you present it. Fin.

hot_gril 4y ago

> Freedom is important, even if you don't need it now. Someone else, maybe you in the future, may need it. I will switch to Android if I ever need the ability to use my phone like a PC. So far (10-ish years), that hasn't happened.

BanazirGalbasi 4y ago
There is an increasing trend of younger generations using phones for tasks that we'd use computers for. I've even heard of cases where students write short essays using Google Docs and their phone rather than pulling out their laptops (although I can't verify these stories). Some social apps (like Hive, an attempted Twitter replacement) don't even have desktop/web versions and require using the mobile app to interact. While you don't use your phone like a PC, I think there's a strong case to be made for allowing for that kind of functionality. However, like you said - you don't need to switch if you don't need that capability. I personally install a lot of apps from FDroid or straight from APK files, but I don't use my phone like a PC like I just described. The range varies, and having that flexibility is nice.
- hot_gril 4y ago
  Yes some people do work tasks on a phone. There's a difference between that and using a phone like a PC. They aren't moving stuff around a file browser, installing ad-hoc apps, opening a command line, etc. They're still doing things the locked-down way, so the iPhone is fine for them, in fact younger people tend to prefer that.
miloignis 4y ago
You are of course free to do whatever you like, but I would like to mention the two dangers I see with that approach: 1. If no-one uses the free version until it's necessary, it might decline and die, and then won't be around to save you. I'd say this is the Firefox / Chrome dynamic currently. 2. If you don't have the freesom to do something, you might not know what you're missing. Re: your comment in another branch, I have done all of "moving stuff around a file browser, installing ad-hoc apps, opening a command line, etc" on my phone in the past 24 hours, and had a great time doing it.
- hot_gril 4y ago
  1. I'm ok with that. If some day the need for a more open one arises, someone will make it and probably knock off a lot of stuff from the locked-down one. If people want to keep the alternative alive in the meantime, that's cool, but I'm not gonna volunteer. Android isn't at risk of dying out, nor is it very free to begin with, Firefox is though. 2. I hardly even use the feature set the iPhone already gives me. I used to jailbreak my iPhone too, just for fun, but that was a long time ago. There's a reason phones aren't centered around a graphical file system. I'm a power user on my Mac and my Linux servers, that's enough for me.

6nf 4y ago

Apple is moving to wireless instead of cables so who cares when it's only used for charging? I can use my iPhone as a webcam, my iPods Max for audio, and two Macbooks can be placed next to each other to share one keyboard and move browser sessions between them. All wireless. I can even use the phone for internet connectivity while using the phone as a webcam for the macbooks. Zero cables! I mean sure it would be slightly nicer to have my iPhone and iPods use the same USB-C charging port but I wouldn't choose Android and give up all of convenience of 'just works' wireless interop with all my devices.

smokelegend 4y ago
Silly apple boys, android has been doing wireless charging for years.... It's shyte like this that makes me giggle at the Apple boys and girls they swear up an down when Apple does something android does its "revolutionary" for all... fuck out of here wit that shyte. Despite what some may think, there are more Android developers [Hardware/Software] then apple developers in this world. That is why Android will always be ahead of the game regardless what Apple does. Old wise tail: You can polish a turd with bells and whistles, however it's still a turd no matter how you present it. Fin.