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I done 2 day dry fast and 3 week water fast. I know something about this stuff. It is VERY painful and stupid. If relative asked me to help with this, I would

I done 2 day dry fast and 3 week water fast. I know something about this stuff. It is VERY painful and stupid. If relative asked me to help with this, I would just get an illegal gun with all the risks. Much safer! I am pretty sure in my country (EU) this would be qualified as domestic abuse. Not giving water to senior who can not communicate is gross neglect, probably 2 years in prison. Nobody can simply consent to this, no matter how much paper work you fill in. And dry fast may trigger all sort of illnesses. If they terminate fast, you end with senior who needs way more care. Kidney stones are particularly painful, and may be unrepeatable at advanced age!

chiyc 4y ago
Fasting as a healthy person is very different from someone nearing the end of their life. Many people suffering from sickness lose most of their appetite already and have little energy to bring themselves to eat.
s1artibartfast 4y ago
So if someone wants to die this way, how do you stop them? Lock them up and force feed them?
- t344344 4y ago
  Why would I do that? On 4th day person would get fewer, passes out... Skin tone changes... Everyone would be able to see this was not normal death. Coroner will have question why you did not call an ambulance... and left him there for days... Really, gun is so much easier option. It is easy to make video that proves who pulled the trigger.
  - s1artibartfast 4y ago
    It just seems strange to me how hostile you are to the idea of someone going out in the manner of their own choosing. I get and respect that you wouldn't choose it for yourself, but why not extend that respect to other people and their personal wishes. It's not like they're hurting you
    - t344344 4y ago
      Information in that article are just wrong. This is not some voluntary peaceful departure, but very slow and painful process. Look into death by dehydration.
      - s1artibartfast 4y ago
        I know people who have self euthanized by dehydration, and that does not match my experience. Even if it is painful, it is still their right to choose. Your opinions are also not reflected in medical studies and surveys of hospice nurses[1][2]. https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp038115 https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp038115 https://www.annfammed.org/content/13/5/421.full https://www.annfammed.org/content/13/5/421.full
  - johtso 4y ago
    This is why people will often make a video recording their intention and their reasoning, and try to demonstrate that they are of sound mind before making the decision to end their lives through a method like this. I can assure you that buying a gun in a country where owning firearms is illegal.. and then shooting a loved one.. is not something that can in any way be compared to an action like this, in the eyes of the law at the _very_ least. I get where you're coming from about having problems with the tone of the website, and that it doesn't say "this is a nasty way to die, it's going to feel awful". But on the other hand it's trying to push for self autonomy in an area where it's criminalised. Really laws need to change to give people options.
    - t344344 4y ago
      You do not get it. Senior would be the one who buys a gun, and who pulls the trigger. I have no problem to help someone to dispatch themselfs, but I would not risk my neck in process. This charade with dry fast is way more risky for care giver. Takes several days and person would be passed out for a long time. It is like hodling your breath to die...
      - johtso 4y ago
        Okay, think there was some misunderstanding. I was thinking of the situation where the person is so chronically ill that they cannot do any of those things. They either need someone's help, thereby making them break the law, or they take the only other option to end their lives which is to stop eating or drinking.
- kelseyfrog 4y ago
  Locking people up and force feeding them[1] is not unheard of. Yes, I understand the differences between one causing the other and in the other instance not, but it doesn't change the end results(being force fed). 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantanamo_force_feeding https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantanamo_force_feeding
  - s1artibartfast 4y ago
    I'm not sure what you are saying. I don't think it is a moral or appropriate thing to do to a free individual who isn't hurting anyone, or even a prisoner for that matter. I can think of examples of incredible torture that people have had imposed on them, I just don't see the relevance of the fact that it has been done before.
pkphilip 4y ago
Fully agreed. Starving to death or dying of thirst isn't a "compassionate" approach to dying

chiyc 4y ago

Fasting as a healthy person is very different from someone nearing the end of their life. Many people suffering from sickness lose most of their appetite already and have little energy to bring themselves to eat.

s1artibartfast 4y ago

So if someone wants to die this way, how do you stop them? Lock them up and force feed them?

t344344 4y ago
Why would I do that? On 4th day person would get fewer, passes out... Skin tone changes... Everyone would be able to see this was not normal death. Coroner will have question why you did not call an ambulance... and left him there for days... Really, gun is so much easier option. It is easy to make video that proves who pulled the trigger.
- s1artibartfast 4y ago
  It just seems strange to me how hostile you are to the idea of someone going out in the manner of their own choosing. I get and respect that you wouldn't choose it for yourself, but why not extend that respect to other people and their personal wishes. It's not like they're hurting you
  - t344344 4y ago
    Information in that article are just wrong. This is not some voluntary peaceful departure, but very slow and painful process. Look into death by dehydration.
    - s1artibartfast 4y ago
      I know people who have self euthanized by dehydration, and that does not match my experience. Even if it is painful, it is still their right to choose. Your opinions are also not reflected in medical studies and surveys of hospice nurses[1][2]. https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp038115 https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp038115 https://www.annfammed.org/content/13/5/421.full https://www.annfammed.org/content/13/5/421.full
- johtso 4y ago
  This is why people will often make a video recording their intention and their reasoning, and try to demonstrate that they are of sound mind before making the decision to end their lives through a method like this. I can assure you that buying a gun in a country where owning firearms is illegal.. and then shooting a loved one.. is not something that can in any way be compared to an action like this, in the eyes of the law at the _very_ least. I get where you're coming from about having problems with the tone of the website, and that it doesn't say "this is a nasty way to die, it's going to feel awful". But on the other hand it's trying to push for self autonomy in an area where it's criminalised. Really laws need to change to give people options.
  - t344344 4y ago
    You do not get it. Senior would be the one who buys a gun, and who pulls the trigger. I have no problem to help someone to dispatch themselfs, but I would not risk my neck in process. This charade with dry fast is way more risky for care giver. Takes several days and person would be passed out for a long time. It is like hodling your breath to die...
    - johtso 4y ago
      Okay, think there was some misunderstanding. I was thinking of the situation where the person is so chronically ill that they cannot do any of those things. They either need someone's help, thereby making them break the law, or they take the only other option to end their lives which is to stop eating or drinking.
kelseyfrog 4y ago
Locking people up and force feeding them[1] is not unheard of. Yes, I understand the differences between one causing the other and in the other instance not, but it doesn't change the end results(being force fed). 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantanamo_force_feeding https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantanamo_force_feeding
- s1artibartfast 4y ago
  I'm not sure what you are saying. I don't think it is a moral or appropriate thing to do to a free individual who isn't hurting anyone, or even a prisoner for that matter. I can think of examples of incredible torture that people have had imposed on them, I just don't see the relevance of the fact that it has been done before.

pkphilip 4y ago

Fully agreed. Starving to death or dying of thirst isn't a "compassionate" approach to dying