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All phone battery longevities are probably within a factor of 2x (for reputable brands). An iPhone official battery replacement is $100 installed. Is longevity

All phone battery longevities are probably within a factor of 2x (for reputable brands). An iPhone official battery replacement is $100 installed. Is longevity really that material for a component that is 1/8 the price of the phone?

cm2187 4y ago
Apple wouldn't replace my ipad battery and is bullshitting me saying it is at 100% health. The device is 4 years old and I can tell it's only lasting half to 2/3 of the original battery life (even with only safari open). I'd be happy to pay $100.
- dangwhy 4y ago
  what does the battery health on the settings app say?
  - cm2187 4y ago
    I don't think I have a battery health in settings. The apple store guy ran some sort of remote diagnostic (and there is no way it is at 100% after 4 years of daily usage). My point being that you can't really change those batteries on demand.
    - alvarezbjm-hn 4y ago
      Try another store. The guy might be trying to sell you a new device.
    - KennyBlanken 4y ago
      If your iPad is still covered under some sort of warranty it's absolutely new enough that it has a battery health section in the settings. Something tells me you're not really being honest with us, for the sake of a "apple suxx" story.
      - cm2187 4y ago
        It's an ipad pro 11 first generation. As I said, 4y old. But if you think I am dishonest be my guest.
      - roneythomas6 4y ago
        iPadOS doesn't show battery health. It's always been like this. If you can show me where you are seeing battery health on a iPad then let me know.
        tzs 4y ago
        If you have a Mac probably the easiest way to see it is to connect the iPad to the Mac via USB and then use a third party app. I use this one, Coconut Battery [1]. The battery health is also included occasionally in the analytics the iPad sends to Apple if you have sending analytics. In Settings go to Privacy & Security/Analytics and Improvements/Analytics Data. That takes you to a list of various recent analytics files that have been sent to Apple. If battery health was included it will be in one of the files "log-aggregated" files (iPadOS < 16) or "Analytics" files (iPadOS 16). Battery health isn't always included in the analytics uploads so you might not have it in any of the files. Then you just have to keep checking as new files appear. Here's a video I found talking about this [2]. The author of the video has written a shortcut [3] that shows up in the shar sheet. When viewing an analytics file you can share it with that shortcut and the shortcut will try to find battery information in that file and display it. I just gave it a try but my logs don't currently have health information so I don't know how well it actually works for that. It did get cycle count from my logs and that matches what Coconut Battery shows. [1] https://www.coconut-flavour.com/coconutbattery/ https://www.coconut-flavour.com/coconutbattery/ [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQ_0l5pi7ro https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQ_0l5pi7ro [3] https://www.itecheverything.com/powerutil https://www.itecheverything.com/powerutil
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- koolba 4y ago
  They won’t do the replacement even if you insist on doing it?
  - cm2187 4y ago
    No what the guy told me is that they can't replace batteries because of lack of repairability. So their "battery replacement" is really a full device replacement (even though my device is otherwise in mint condition), and therefore they won't do it until their own diagnostics tell them the battery is dead. And of course I found lots of people sharing the same experience on forums, their diagnostic tool is set to never tell them the battery is dead.
  - roneythomas6 4y ago
    Apple does replacement but if the iPad is on the obsolete list then they won’t.
- KennyBlanken 4y ago
  I'd suggest two things. One, do a wipe and re-install from backups. If the device doesn't really have much of importance on it, just wipe it and start fresh. Two, discharge the iPad until it shuts off, then fully charge it and leave it plugged in for several hours after that. That will update the battery capacity gauge. You can see the internal battery stats by plugging the iPad into a Mac and running any of a couple of different utilities - one free one is coconutbattery.
r00fus 4y ago
It’s $49 for my iPhone 8 Plus. $69 for a newer phone. Considering it as the health is listed close to 85% now. https://support.apple.com/iphone/repair/battery-replacement https://support.apple.com/iphone/repair/battery-replacement
- ericpauley 4y ago
  The 14s are $99, used the worst case in GP.
  - r00fus 4y ago
    Battery replacement only really makes sense for 1-2y old phones TBH unless you you’re abusing your phone.
- xenonite 4y ago
  The 'newer' iPhone 8+ probably won't provide a new battery either. So the change is worthwhile, still.

cm2187 4y ago

Apple wouldn't replace my ipad battery and is bullshitting me saying it is at 100% health. The device is 4 years old and I can tell it's only lasting half to 2/3 of the original battery life (even with only safari open). I'd be happy to pay $100.

dangwhy 4y ago
what does the battery health on the settings app say?
- cm2187 4y ago
  I don't think I have a battery health in settings. The apple store guy ran some sort of remote diagnostic (and there is no way it is at 100% after 4 years of daily usage). My point being that you can't really change those batteries on demand.
  - alvarezbjm-hn 4y ago
    Try another store. The guy might be trying to sell you a new device.
  - KennyBlanken 4y ago
    If your iPad is still covered under some sort of warranty it's absolutely new enough that it has a battery health section in the settings. Something tells me you're not really being honest with us, for the sake of a "apple suxx" story.
    - cm2187 4y ago
      It's an ipad pro 11 first generation. As I said, 4y old. But if you think I am dishonest be my guest.
    - roneythomas6 4y ago
      iPadOS doesn't show battery health. It's always been like this. If you can show me where you are seeing battery health on a iPad then let me know.
      - tzs 4y ago
        If you have a Mac probably the easiest way to see it is to connect the iPad to the Mac via USB and then use a third party app. I use this one, Coconut Battery [1]. The battery health is also included occasionally in the analytics the iPad sends to Apple if you have sending analytics. In Settings go to Privacy & Security/Analytics and Improvements/Analytics Data. That takes you to a list of various recent analytics files that have been sent to Apple. If battery health was included it will be in one of the files "log-aggregated" files (iPadOS < 16) or "Analytics" files (iPadOS 16). Battery health isn't always included in the analytics uploads so you might not have it in any of the files. Then you just have to keep checking as new files appear. Here's a video I found talking about this [2]. The author of the video has written a shortcut [3] that shows up in the shar sheet. When viewing an analytics file you can share it with that shortcut and the shortcut will try to find battery information in that file and display it. I just gave it a try but my logs don't currently have health information so I don't know how well it actually works for that. It did get cycle count from my logs and that matches what Coconut Battery shows. [1] https://www.coconut-flavour.com/coconutbattery/ https://www.coconut-flavour.com/coconutbattery/ [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQ_0l5pi7ro https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQ_0l5pi7ro [3] https://www.itecheverything.com/powerutil https://www.itecheverything.com/powerutil
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koolba 4y ago
They won’t do the replacement even if you insist on doing it?
- cm2187 4y ago
  No what the guy told me is that they can't replace batteries because of lack of repairability. So their "battery replacement" is really a full device replacement (even though my device is otherwise in mint condition), and therefore they won't do it until their own diagnostics tell them the battery is dead. And of course I found lots of people sharing the same experience on forums, their diagnostic tool is set to never tell them the battery is dead.
- roneythomas6 4y ago
  Apple does replacement but if the iPad is on the obsolete list then they won’t.
KennyBlanken 4y ago
I'd suggest two things. One, do a wipe and re-install from backups. If the device doesn't really have much of importance on it, just wipe it and start fresh. Two, discharge the iPad until it shuts off, then fully charge it and leave it plugged in for several hours after that. That will update the battery capacity gauge. You can see the internal battery stats by plugging the iPad into a Mac and running any of a couple of different utilities - one free one is coconutbattery.

r00fus 4y ago

It’s $49 for my iPhone 8 Plus. $69 for a newer phone. Considering it as the health is listed close to 85% now. https://support.apple.com/iphone/repair/battery-replacement https://support.apple.com/iphone/repair/battery-replacement

ericpauley 4y ago
The 14s are $99, used the worst case in GP.
- r00fus 4y ago
  Battery replacement only really makes sense for 1-2y old phones TBH unless you you’re abusing your phone.
xenonite 4y ago
The 'newer' iPhone 8+ probably won't provide a new battery either. So the change is worthwhile, still.