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This is some next level abuse, comparable to drinking pesticides to "fix" illness! Dying from dehydration is quite painful. And there is big chance person will

This is some next level abuse, comparable to drinking pesticides to "fix" illness! Dying from dehydration is quite painful. And there is big chance person will not finish it. They "give up" on giving up (pun intended) and break water fast after a few days. On top of old illness, they may get damaged liver, preexisting kidney stones will manifest, hypoglycemic reaction, all sorts of nasty allergies... Amazing way to make a few remaining months even less pleasant!

blue039 4y ago
Having seen this several times in family and close relatives it does not appear as painful as you'd think. Often times the people responsible for the care of the person dying will provide them small amounts of water, typically via a syringe, to keep their mouth wet in order to not provoke a thirst response. Food is easy enough to ignore and most people can indefinitely ignore hunger right up until they die. It seems clear to me you have never seen this procedure done. It was rather traumatic for me having to be one of the people responsible for the final caregiving (it does not seem logical to provide such comforts as small water or medicine to someone committed to dying) but it was important for closure. I hope you dont have to witness it or make this choice yourself. Personally, I find doctor assisted suicide to be both unethical and amoral. While people may disagree with me I see no difference between MAID and paying someone to hang you as instantaneous death is guaranteed in both ways and it is done by a sanctioned murderer. VSED is entirely in the dying person's control, and thus to me is not unethical nor amoral as the control of life is in the person who owns that life.
- t344344 4y ago
  I done 2 day dry fast and 3 week water fast. I know something about this stuff. It is VERY painful and stupid. If relative asked me to help with this, I would just get an illegal gun with all the risks. Much safer! I am pretty sure in my country (EU) this would be qualified as domestic abuse. Not giving water to senior who can not communicate is gross neglect, probably 2 years in prison. Nobody can simply consent to this, no matter how much paper work you fill in. And dry fast may trigger all sort of illnesses. If they terminate fast, you end with senior who needs way more care. Kidney stones are particularly painful, and may be unrepeatable at advanced age!
  - chiyc 4y ago
    Fasting as a healthy person is very different from someone nearing the end of their life. Many people suffering from sickness lose most of their appetite already and have little energy to bring themselves to eat.
  - s1artibartfast 4y ago
    So if someone wants to die this way, how do you stop them? Lock them up and force feed them?
    - t344344 4y ago
      Why would I do that? On 4th day person would get fewer, passes out... Skin tone changes... Everyone would be able to see this was not normal death. Coroner will have question why you did not call an ambulance... and left him there for days... Really, gun is so much easier option. It is easy to make video that proves who pulled the trigger.
      - s1artibartfast 4y ago
        It just seems strange to me how hostile you are to the idea of someone going out in the manner of their own choosing. I get and respect that you wouldn't choose it for yourself, but why not extend that respect to other people and their personal wishes. It's not like they're hurting you
        t344344 4y ago
        Information in that article are just wrong. This is not some voluntary peaceful departure, but very slow and painful process. Look into death by dehydration.
        s1artibartfast 4y ago
        I know people who have self euthanized by dehydration, and that does not match my experience. Even if it is painful, it is still their right to choose. Your opinions are also not reflected in medical studies and surveys of hospice nurses[1][2]. https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp038115 https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp038115 https://www.annfammed.org/content/13/5/421.full https://www.annfammed.org/content/13/5/421.full

blue039 4y ago

Having seen this several times in family and close relatives it does not appear as painful as you'd think. Often times the people responsible for the care of the person dying will provide them small amounts of water, typically via a syringe, to keep their mouth wet in order to not provoke a thirst response. Food is easy enough to ignore and most people can indefinitely ignore hunger right up until they die. It seems clear to me you have never seen this procedure done. It was rather traumatic for me having to be one of the people responsible for the final caregiving (it does not seem logical to provide such comforts as small water or medicine to someone committed to dying) but it was important for closure. I hope you dont have to witness it or make this choice yourself. Personally, I find doctor assisted suicide to be both unethical and amoral. While people may disagree with me I see no difference between MAID and paying someone to hang you as instantaneous death is guaranteed in both ways and it is done by a sanctioned murderer. VSED is entirely in the dying person's control, and thus to me is not unethical nor amoral as the control of life is in the person who owns that life.

t344344 4y ago
I done 2 day dry fast and 3 week water fast. I know something about this stuff. It is VERY painful and stupid. If relative asked me to help with this, I would just get an illegal gun with all the risks. Much safer! I am pretty sure in my country (EU) this would be qualified as domestic abuse. Not giving water to senior who can not communicate is gross neglect, probably 2 years in prison. Nobody can simply consent to this, no matter how much paper work you fill in. And dry fast may trigger all sort of illnesses. If they terminate fast, you end with senior who needs way more care. Kidney stones are particularly painful, and may be unrepeatable at advanced age!
- chiyc 4y ago
  Fasting as a healthy person is very different from someone nearing the end of their life. Many people suffering from sickness lose most of their appetite already and have little energy to bring themselves to eat.
- s1artibartfast 4y ago
  So if someone wants to die this way, how do you stop them? Lock them up and force feed them?
  - t344344 4y ago
    Why would I do that? On 4th day person would get fewer, passes out... Skin tone changes... Everyone would be able to see this was not normal death. Coroner will have question why you did not call an ambulance... and left him there for days... Really, gun is so much easier option. It is easy to make video that proves who pulled the trigger.
    - s1artibartfast 4y ago
      It just seems strange to me how hostile you are to the idea of someone going out in the manner of their own choosing. I get and respect that you wouldn't choose it for yourself, but why not extend that respect to other people and their personal wishes. It's not like they're hurting you
      - t344344 4y ago
        Information in that article are just wrong. This is not some voluntary peaceful departure, but very slow and painful process. Look into death by dehydration.
        s1artibartfast 4y ago
        I know people who have self euthanized by dehydration, and that does not match my experience. Even if it is painful, it is still their right to choose. Your opinions are also not reflected in medical studies and surveys of hospice nurses[1][2]. https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp038115 https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp038115 https://www.annfammed.org/content/13/5/421.full https://www.annfammed.org/content/13/5/421.full