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>where people do collectively have power to make drastic and enduring changes to the system without needing to start a cycle of violence to accomplish their aim

>where people do collectively have power to make drastic and enduring changes to the system without needing to start a cycle of violence to accomplish their aims. Tell that to me again after the financial system, immense legal corruption and healthcare has been fixed. These are all problems known for decades beyond some people's lifespans and consecutive presidents haven't been able to fix it...hell many go again their election promises with lame duck excuses. If I had to compare both shitty superpowers, China would be "can't change the party but you can change the policy", while the US would be "you can change the party, but not the policy" Both are dystopian in their own ways, difference being China is an obvert dystopia, while the US is covert one drugging their populace to numb discontent etc.

noduerme 4y ago
I don't want to get into some kind of political debate that could be determined to be a "flame" thing - I'm on probation over here. But don't you think the Affordable Care Act (aka Obamacare) was a pretty major stick in the eye of the insurance-industrial-complex? Sure, it's nothing remotely approaching the kind of social medicine available in France or New Zealand, but it was provably the result of large numbers of people voting for change against the prevailing moneyed structure that was in place. Policy doesn't necessarily swing 180º with every new administration; that's probably for the best. Isn't this an example of policy being shifted democratically? I hesitate to get into the pull-out from Afghanistan or the judicial decision to rescind Roe v Wade; those are both things I strongly, vociferously disagree with. But they're both examples of public pressure changing policy (for better or worse) through the application of democratic processes available to all citizens.
- largepeepee 4y ago
  It always boils down to who are you comparing it too? Cheering those minuscule changes are akin to praising the CCP for beingat open to change with them ending there zero-covid policy. At the end of the day these policies are slow and usually ineffective - all of your examples included.

noduerme 4y ago

I don't want to get into some kind of political debate that could be determined to be a "flame" thing - I'm on probation over here. But don't you think the Affordable Care Act (aka Obamacare) was a pretty major stick in the eye of the insurance-industrial-complex? Sure, it's nothing remotely approaching the kind of social medicine available in France or New Zealand, but it was provably the result of large numbers of people voting for change against the prevailing moneyed structure that was in place. Policy doesn't necessarily swing 180º with every new administration; that's probably for the best. Isn't this an example of policy being shifted democratically? I hesitate to get into the pull-out from Afghanistan or the judicial decision to rescind Roe v Wade; those are both things I strongly, vociferously disagree with. But they're both examples of public pressure changing policy (for better or worse) through the application of democratic processes available to all citizens.

largepeepee 4y ago
It always boils down to who are you comparing it too? Cheering those minuscule changes are akin to praising the CCP for beingat open to change with them ending there zero-covid policy. At the end of the day these policies are slow and usually ineffective - all of your examples included.