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Fury in Ukraine as Elon Musk’s SpaceX Limits Starlink Use for Drones

12 points by edward 4y ago

verdverm 4y ago
Imagine, someone gives you access to something for free, provided you follow certain rules. You then break those rules you agreed to follow... Be happy they are only enforcing the rules rather than taking away the free service completely. Be happy you were given this gift in the first place. Imagine what it would be like if it was never given. Also consider they are strictly following the rules w.r.t. HIMARs and not firing them into Russia.
- rasz 4y ago
  Last time I checked (October 2022) ~11.7k out of 18k Ukrainian Starlink terminals were bought and paid for by Poland.
  - verdverm 4y ago
    The US is a large contributor to covering the costs as well. The terminal is the smaller part of the cost, connectivity is an ongoing cost. Even if they were paying, there is an agreement or ToS for all customers.
bradwood 4y ago
@apenwarr -- how about a free Tailscale hookup for Ukraine to run over Starlink then?
Kukumber 4y ago
Starlink's purpose was always military one, specially in ukraine/iran and SEA It's very well documented https://www.c4isrnet.com/intel-geoint/2021/12/23/the-us-military-wants-to-plug-commercial-satellites-into-its-orbital-networks/ https://www.c4isrnet.com/intel-geoint/2021/12/23/the-us-mili... https://spacenews.com/spacex-sees-u-s-army-as-possible-customer-for-starlink-and-starship/ https://spacenews.com/spacex-sees-u-s-army-as-possible-custo... https://spacenews.com/spacex-sees-u-s-army-as-possible-customer-for-starlink-and-starship/ https://spacenews.com/spacex-sees-u-s-army-as-possible-custo... https://www.lemonde.fr/en/economy/article/2022/12/28/how-starlink-s-satellite-constellations-are-changing-war_6009472_19.html https://www.lemonde.fr/en/economy/article/2022/12/28/how-sta... When they got caught: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1581345747777179651 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1581345747777179651 https://www.sciencetimes.com/articles/37874/20220526/china-s-hypersonic-missiles-eyes-destroying-elon-musks-spacex-satellites.htm https://www.sciencetimes.com/articles/37874/20220526/china-s... US military using commercial products as a cover: https://qz.com/1145669/googles-true-origin-partly-lies-in-cia-and-nsa-research-grants-for-mass-surveillance https://qz.com/1145669/googles-true-origin-partly-lies-in-ci...

12 points by edward 4y ago

Imagine, someone gives you access to something for free, provided you follow certain rules. You then break those rules you agreed to follow... Be happy they are only enforcing the rules rather than taking away the free service completely. Be happy you were given this gift in the first place. Imagine what it would be like if it was never given. Also consider they are strictly following the rules w.r.t. HIMARs and not firing them into Russia.

rasz 4y ago
Last time I checked (October 2022) ~11.7k out of 18k Ukrainian Starlink terminals were bought and paid for by Poland.
- verdverm 4y ago
  The US is a large contributor to covering the costs as well. The terminal is the smaller part of the cost, connectivity is an ongoing cost. Even if they were paying, there is an agreement or ToS for all customers.

bradwood 4y ago

@apenwarr -- how about a free Tailscale hookup for Ukraine to run over Starlink then?

Kukumber 4y ago

Starlink's purpose was always military one, specially in ukraine/iran and SEA It's very well documented https://www.c4isrnet.com/intel-geoint/2021/12/23/the-us-military-wants-to-plug-commercial-satellites-into-its-orbital-networks/ https://www.c4isrnet.com/intel-geoint/2021/12/23/the-us-mili... https://spacenews.com/spacex-sees-u-s-army-as-possible-customer-for-starlink-and-starship/ https://spacenews.com/spacex-sees-u-s-army-as-possible-custo... https://spacenews.com/spacex-sees-u-s-army-as-possible-customer-for-starlink-and-starship/ https://spacenews.com/spacex-sees-u-s-army-as-possible-custo... https://www.lemonde.fr/en/economy/article/2022/12/28/how-starlink-s-satellite-constellations-are-changing-war_6009472_19.html https://www.lemonde.fr/en/economy/article/2022/12/28/how-sta... When they got caught: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1581345747777179651 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1581345747777179651 https://www.sciencetimes.com/articles/37874/20220526/china-s-hypersonic-missiles-eyes-destroying-elon-musks-spacex-satellites.htm https://www.sciencetimes.com/articles/37874/20220526/china-s... US military using commercial products as a cover: https://qz.com/1145669/googles-true-origin-partly-lies-in-cia-and-nsa-research-grants-for-mass-surveillance https://qz.com/1145669/googles-true-origin-partly-lies-in-ci...