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What an eloquent writer. Anyone know the vaccine drama that he mentioned?

selectodude 4y ago
https://kareem.substack.com/p/why-lebron-is-wrong-about-honoring https://kareem.substack.com/p/why-lebron-is-wrong-about-hono...
breck 4y ago
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- lern_too_spel 4y ago
  Lebron wasn't talking about data. Kareem's critique of Lebron's comment looks spot on to me and incredibly well argued.
  - breck 4y ago
    > For example, seatbelt compliance is at 88% in the U.S., but that 12% that doesn’t comply results in 47% of car accident fatalities (17,000) and costs U.S. employers $5 billion a year, and those costs are passed on to us. They made the choice, but we survivors are left to deal with the grief and the price tag. Uncited. And poorly argued. > But the real cost is the 700,000 dead, thousands of which could have been saved if they’d followed the CDC protocols and got vaccinated. This is flat out wrong. There is no evidence that the vaccines saved any lives. In fact, from the very first big data dump in December 2020 (https://twitter.com/breckyunits/status/1348080756921303041 https://twitter.com/breckyunits/status/1348080756921303041) in the only randomized control experiment—the gold standard—the death rate is equal. Also, from the very first big data dump in February 2020, it was clear the threat from Covid-19 was overblown (https://twitter.com/breckyunits/status/1228117546974371840 https://twitter.com/breckyunits/status/1228117546974371840). There is a $1 million debate being had later this year (https://blog.rootclaim.com/rootclaim-accepts-500000-challenge-on-covid-vaccine-safety-efficacy/ https://blog.rootclaim.com/rootclaim-accepts-500000-challeng...) as to whether the vaccines killed more people than they saved. I'm not sure how many they killed, but I have high confidence that they saved next to no one, and if I had to bet I'd take the side that it will turn out they killed more than they saved. The CDC was wrong. Kareem was wrong. Lebron was right. I was right. > Vaccine deniers and those who want to “honor” them are like drunk drivers I have a scientific background and numerous published papers. I spent years working in an Epidemiology Department. I was the Senior Software Engineer at Our World in Data who built the Covid Data Explorer used by 100 million people (probably including Kareem). He compares me to a "drunk driver". That's absurd. He was wrong. He was dead wrong. And he spread fear and hate against those that were right. Including Lebron and Draymond. Draymond sensed the proponents of the vaccine were pushing "too hard". Kareem objects to this. But he was wrong and Draymond's gut was right. Important questions were being not answered by people who had billions to gain from pushing the vaccines. Draymond picked up on this. Kareem missed it. He owes him and Lebron an apology.
    - scld 4y ago
      For what it's worth, your first link show's the "same death rate" but there were only 330 covid positives in that dataset. So the death rate is equal between placebo and vaccine means that the vaccine doesn't kill at any higher rate than placebo. Given the population in Moderna's trials, how many deaths should one expect in the covid-positive placebo group? 0.2? Either way, it would round down to 0.
      - breck 4y ago
        I very much agree with you. However, had they actually run a proper long term study as was originally planned (2 years), we would have had conclusive results. I suspect they knew the results would show clearly and definitely that the vaccine saved no lives, if not worse, and so they dishonorably ended the control group early (and their cronies at the FDA/CDC allowed them to get away with it). Tens of billions of dollars will get people to do quite unethical things.
        lern_too_spel 4y ago
        The reason they cut it short was that it was unethical to let more of the control group get severe COVID-19, so they had to be informed.
        breck 4y ago
        That was the stated reason. It was a lie. The math is clear. Risking tens of millions of lives (in long term adverse effects or over estimated efficacy) to save at most a few dozen, with no evidence at all to believe you are saving anyone (death rates were same), does not make any sense. The real reason was the billions of dollars to be made by covering up the truth.
        lern_too_spel 4y ago
        Indeed, the math is clear. At the time they told the participants if they got the placebo, they already knew that the vaccine prevented severe illness. Since then, all the data confirms that in doing so, it also reduces deaths. https://ysph.yale.edu/news-article/study-finds-large-gap-in-excess-deaths-along-partisan-lines-after-covid-19-vaccines-introduced/ https://ysph.yale.edu/news-article/study-finds-large-gap-in-... https://www.bmj.com/company/newsroom/new-study-shows-fewer-people-die-from-covid-19-in-better-vaccinated-communities/ https://www.bmj.com/company/newsroom/new-study-shows-fewer-p... https://ourworldindata.org/covid-deaths-by-vaccination https://ourworldindata.org/covid-deaths-by-vaccination

https://kareem.substack.com/p/why-lebron-is-wrong-about-honoring https://kareem.substack.com/p/why-lebron-is-wrong-about-hono...

breck 4y ago

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lern_too_spel 4y ago
Lebron wasn't talking about data. Kareem's critique of Lebron's comment looks spot on to me and incredibly well argued.
- breck 4y ago
  > For example, seatbelt compliance is at 88% in the U.S., but that 12% that doesn’t comply results in 47% of car accident fatalities (17,000) and costs U.S. employers $5 billion a year, and those costs are passed on to us. They made the choice, but we survivors are left to deal with the grief and the price tag. Uncited. And poorly argued. > But the real cost is the 700,000 dead, thousands of which could have been saved if they’d followed the CDC protocols and got vaccinated. This is flat out wrong. There is no evidence that the vaccines saved any lives. In fact, from the very first big data dump in December 2020 (https://twitter.com/breckyunits/status/1348080756921303041 https://twitter.com/breckyunits/status/1348080756921303041) in the only randomized control experiment—the gold standard—the death rate is equal. Also, from the very first big data dump in February 2020, it was clear the threat from Covid-19 was overblown (https://twitter.com/breckyunits/status/1228117546974371840 https://twitter.com/breckyunits/status/1228117546974371840). There is a $1 million debate being had later this year (https://blog.rootclaim.com/rootclaim-accepts-500000-challenge-on-covid-vaccine-safety-efficacy/ https://blog.rootclaim.com/rootclaim-accepts-500000-challeng...) as to whether the vaccines killed more people than they saved. I'm not sure how many they killed, but I have high confidence that they saved next to no one, and if I had to bet I'd take the side that it will turn out they killed more than they saved. The CDC was wrong. Kareem was wrong. Lebron was right. I was right. > Vaccine deniers and those who want to “honor” them are like drunk drivers I have a scientific background and numerous published papers. I spent years working in an Epidemiology Department. I was the Senior Software Engineer at Our World in Data who built the Covid Data Explorer used by 100 million people (probably including Kareem). He compares me to a "drunk driver". That's absurd. He was wrong. He was dead wrong. And he spread fear and hate against those that were right. Including Lebron and Draymond. Draymond sensed the proponents of the vaccine were pushing "too hard". Kareem objects to this. But he was wrong and Draymond's gut was right. Important questions were being not answered by people who had billions to gain from pushing the vaccines. Draymond picked up on this. Kareem missed it. He owes him and Lebron an apology.
  - scld 4y ago
    For what it's worth, your first link show's the "same death rate" but there were only 330 covid positives in that dataset. So the death rate is equal between placebo and vaccine means that the vaccine doesn't kill at any higher rate than placebo. Given the population in Moderna's trials, how many deaths should one expect in the covid-positive placebo group? 0.2? Either way, it would round down to 0.
    - breck 4y ago
      I very much agree with you. However, had they actually run a proper long term study as was originally planned (2 years), we would have had conclusive results. I suspect they knew the results would show clearly and definitely that the vaccine saved no lives, if not worse, and so they dishonorably ended the control group early (and their cronies at the FDA/CDC allowed them to get away with it). Tens of billions of dollars will get people to do quite unethical things.
      - lern_too_spel 4y ago
        The reason they cut it short was that it was unethical to let more of the control group get severe COVID-19, so they had to be informed.
        breck 4y ago
        That was the stated reason. It was a lie. The math is clear. Risking tens of millions of lives (in long term adverse effects or over estimated efficacy) to save at most a few dozen, with no evidence at all to believe you are saving anyone (death rates were same), does not make any sense. The real reason was the billions of dollars to be made by covering up the truth.
        lern_too_spel 4y ago
        Indeed, the math is clear. At the time they told the participants if they got the placebo, they already knew that the vaccine prevented severe illness. Since then, all the data confirms that in doing so, it also reduces deaths. https://ysph.yale.edu/news-article/study-finds-large-gap-in-excess-deaths-along-partisan-lines-after-covid-19-vaccines-introduced/ https://ysph.yale.edu/news-article/study-finds-large-gap-in-... https://www.bmj.com/company/newsroom/new-study-shows-fewer-people-die-from-covid-19-in-better-vaccinated-communities/ https://www.bmj.com/company/newsroom/new-study-shows-fewer-p... https://ourworldindata.org/covid-deaths-by-vaccination https://ourworldindata.org/covid-deaths-by-vaccination