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Some of us see it as paying for services, not that the government are thieves. And we are pretty happy to pay, given the hellscape examples shown in the good ol

Some of us see it as paying for services, not that the government are thieves. And we are pretty happy to pay, given the hellscape examples shown in the good old US of A.

redeeman 4y ago
I am not highlighting the US as a shining example of anything. but if you are happy to pay, make it optional? it seems to me that you are happy to force others to pay? biggest gang wins? seems to me that "some of us" will be perfectly happy buying the services, and some other of us will be perfectly happy NOT buying the services
- Beltiras 4y ago
  Then choose to live where the taxes are low and services are shit. Don't take the piss out of our choices. They do not affect you.
- redeeman 4y ago
  replying to sibling-response: and where would I go? it seems that universally around the world there are a large amount of people that feel that they are entitled to rob their fellow citizens, at ultimately what is gunpoint threat of being put in jail. if I just go mind my own business, and conduct business with other likeminded people, and the regime finds out, they will send their brownshirts with guns to drag me away, simply for refusing to give them half
  - adrianN 4y ago
    There are plenty of failed states on the planet where you can live with basically no taxation at all.
  - seszett 4y ago
    > where would I go? Somalia seems to be the only actually tax-free country. I think border control is lax enough that you can "safely" go live there if you wish.
    - Turing_Machine 4y ago
      Somalia isn't "tax-free". It just has rival gangs of warlords collecting taxes, rather than having one gang with a monopoly on it. Not the same thing.
      - yunwal 4y ago
        Hmm, this almost seems like the logical conclusion of a government with no revenue.
  - Beltiras 4y ago
    Do your own research. This is an article that leads to 0% taxation options, first thing Kagi suggests: https://www.theceomagazine.com/lifestyle/property/lowest-income-tax-countries/ https://www.theceomagazine.com/lifestyle/property/lowest-inc...
    - redeeman 4y ago
      so you are atleast agreeing that you think the biggest gang should set the rules and force them upon other people who do no harm to ANYONE, but simply wish to be left alone?
    - buzzerbetrayed 4y ago
      I’m not sure “uproot and move” is an acceptable solution to wanting to opt out of parts of a society. You certainly wouldn’t give this suggestion as a solution to just about any other problem people have. Especially when the places you can move probably make up like 1% of the earth. I don’t understand your logic. You claim that the “services” offered to you by your government are worth the taxes you pay. But you don’t want them to be opt-in. Aren’t you tipping your hand a bit? Seems like you might not be so confident that the services are worth it, and that a ton of people wouldn’t opt out.
      - yunwal 4y ago
        If you really don’t drive on public roads or use any public services, you can probably get away with not paying taxes.
      - mrguyorama 4y ago
        Government isn't a business. Society is the rules we regularly agree to keep playing. Your parents made the choice to birth you into a society. If you don't like playing by society's rules that everyone else understands results in a better life, then go live in Somalia or an unincorporated territory somewhere.
  - mrguyorama 4y ago
    First things first: Get the fuck off the roads I pay for with taxes, stop drinking water I'm paying for, stop using ANY medical care because that gets government funding in the US, stop using electricity because there's often government involvement in that, stop using the internet, that was built with tax dollars, stop breathing the air that the government attempts to keep clean etc.
    - redeeman 4y ago
      I am not in the US, and I cannot stop using the things others pay for, because they FORCE me to pay for it aswell, or they will haul me away to jail. and in doing this, they also keep ANY competition away, because who can compete with "free". I pay for water, and then i pay 150% taxes on the water because reasons.. I would just hire someone to drill a well for me on market terms, but the regime made it illegal edit: actually its about 300% taxes on the water
knubie 4y ago
The NHS has its own share of tragic stories. https://archive.is/lkqY5 https://archive.is/lkqY5
- marcusverus 4y ago
  > People who suffer heart attacks or strokes wait more than 1½ hours on average for an ambulance. Hospitals are so full they are turning patients away. It's positively utopian! Meanwhile, in the hellscape: > On average in the U.S., the length of time between a call for help and the arrival of emergency medical services is about eight minutes. [0] https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-emergency-response-times/be-prepared-for-ambulance-wait-times-idUSKBN1A42KQ https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-emergency-response...

Some of us see it as paying for services, not that the government are thieves. And we are pretty happy to pay, given the hellscape examples shown in the good old US of A.

redeeman 4y ago

I am not highlighting the US as a shining example of anything. but if you are happy to pay, make it optional? it seems to me that you are happy to force others to pay? biggest gang wins? seems to me that "some of us" will be perfectly happy buying the services, and some other of us will be perfectly happy NOT buying the services

Beltiras 4y ago
Then choose to live where the taxes are low and services are shit. Don't take the piss out of our choices. They do not affect you.
redeeman 4y ago
replying to sibling-response: and where would I go? it seems that universally around the world there are a large amount of people that feel that they are entitled to rob their fellow citizens, at ultimately what is gunpoint threat of being put in jail. if I just go mind my own business, and conduct business with other likeminded people, and the regime finds out, they will send their brownshirts with guns to drag me away, simply for refusing to give them half
- adrianN 4y ago
  There are plenty of failed states on the planet where you can live with basically no taxation at all.
- seszett 4y ago
  > where would I go? Somalia seems to be the only actually tax-free country. I think border control is lax enough that you can "safely" go live there if you wish.
  - Turing_Machine 4y ago
    Somalia isn't "tax-free". It just has rival gangs of warlords collecting taxes, rather than having one gang with a monopoly on it. Not the same thing.
    - yunwal 4y ago
      Hmm, this almost seems like the logical conclusion of a government with no revenue.
- Beltiras 4y ago
  Do your own research. This is an article that leads to 0% taxation options, first thing Kagi suggests: https://www.theceomagazine.com/lifestyle/property/lowest-income-tax-countries/ https://www.theceomagazine.com/lifestyle/property/lowest-inc...
  - redeeman 4y ago
    so you are atleast agreeing that you think the biggest gang should set the rules and force them upon other people who do no harm to ANYONE, but simply wish to be left alone?
  - buzzerbetrayed 4y ago
    I’m not sure “uproot and move” is an acceptable solution to wanting to opt out of parts of a society. You certainly wouldn’t give this suggestion as a solution to just about any other problem people have. Especially when the places you can move probably make up like 1% of the earth. I don’t understand your logic. You claim that the “services” offered to you by your government are worth the taxes you pay. But you don’t want them to be opt-in. Aren’t you tipping your hand a bit? Seems like you might not be so confident that the services are worth it, and that a ton of people wouldn’t opt out.
    - yunwal 4y ago
      If you really don’t drive on public roads or use any public services, you can probably get away with not paying taxes.
    - mrguyorama 4y ago
      Government isn't a business. Society is the rules we regularly agree to keep playing. Your parents made the choice to birth you into a society. If you don't like playing by society's rules that everyone else understands results in a better life, then go live in Somalia or an unincorporated territory somewhere.
- mrguyorama 4y ago
  First things first: Get the fuck off the roads I pay for with taxes, stop drinking water I'm paying for, stop using ANY medical care because that gets government funding in the US, stop using electricity because there's often government involvement in that, stop using the internet, that was built with tax dollars, stop breathing the air that the government attempts to keep clean etc.
  - redeeman 4y ago
    I am not in the US, and I cannot stop using the things others pay for, because they FORCE me to pay for it aswell, or they will haul me away to jail. and in doing this, they also keep ANY competition away, because who can compete with "free". I pay for water, and then i pay 150% taxes on the water because reasons.. I would just hire someone to drill a well for me on market terms, but the regime made it illegal edit: actually its about 300% taxes on the water

knubie 4y ago

The NHS has its own share of tragic stories. https://archive.is/lkqY5 https://archive.is/lkqY5

marcusverus 4y ago
> People who suffer heart attacks or strokes wait more than 1½ hours on average for an ambulance. Hospitals are so full they are turning patients away. It's positively utopian! Meanwhile, in the hellscape: > On average in the U.S., the length of time between a call for help and the arrival of emergency medical services is about eight minutes. [0] https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-emergency-response-times/be-prepared-for-ambulance-wait-times-idUSKBN1A42KQ https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-emergency-response...