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LeBron has never struck me as being a great player. Of course, he is very good, but he is too much of a nice guy and doesn't have the unholy drive Jordan had.

LeBron has never struck me as being a great player. Of course, he is very good, but he is too much of a nice guy and doesn't have the unholy drive Jordan had. Jordan was mesmerizing. I also think Luka Doncic is going to leave LeBron in the dust, assuming Luka stays injury free and adopts a low-carb diet.

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emehex 4y ago
I'm sorry, but this is just a tremendously bad take. Total points, first 4 years in NBA (including playoffs): LeBron: 9339 Doncic: 7873
- MisterBastahrd 4y ago
  You're literally comparing a player who got 4 years in with one who is at his All Star break. Not sure what point you're attempting to make.
  - sin7 4y ago
    Luka is currently playing in his 5th year. He has 4 years behind him. Not the best comparison, but seems fair.
HDThoreaun 4y ago
Lebron being the goat while also having a corny, 100% scandal free lifestyle is imo one of his crowning accomplishments. It is unbelievable that his greatness hasn’t gotten to his head ala Kyrie.
- tayo42 4y ago
  It did earlier in his career with like the decision and stuff, maybe getting criticized for stuff like that so early on made it easier to be normal for the rest of the his career. He had this kind of attention since he was in high school right?
  - DragonStrength 4y ago
    Just a much more public version of so many of us having a big ego early in our careers and being humbled by those around us.
yodon 4y ago
>LeBron has never struck me as being a great player Perhaps this is a sign you should recalibrate your assessment criteria
- jononomo 4y ago
  LeBron has lost in the NBA finals five times. Jordan never lost in the NBA finals. When Jordan was playing in the NBA finals it was like he bent the universe to his will. LeBron doesn’t have that power. Also, Jordan won more championships. It really bugs me that anyone thinks LeBron is in the same league as Jordan.
snowwrestler 4y ago
Anyone questioning Lebron’s drive should rewatch the 2016 NBA Finals. It was an all-time example of an underdog willing themselves to win, in any sport.
- jononomo 4y ago
  Jordan never lost in the NBA finals and he has more championships than LeBron. LeBron has lost the finals more often than he has won the finals. What kind of great player is that?
  - JoyfulTurkey 4y ago
    By this logic Robert Horry is better than Jordan. No one thinks Robert Horry is better than Jordan.
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deeg 4y ago
I'm a big basketball fan (Celtics, so I'm hardly biased) and I have the exact opposite opinion. James has been worshipped as a ball player since at least high school; the fact that he appears to be as sane and grounded as he is puts him over Jordan. He elevates his teammates more than Jordan ever could. I play a lot of ball and if we pretended I had nba level talent I would love to play with LBJ and hate playing with Jordan.
- exclusiv 4y ago
  > He elevates his teammates more than Jordan ever could. That makes zero sense. Jordan got everyone to buy into his obsessiveness and fully commit, getting TWO 3 peats. And it would have easily been 8 in a row if he didn't take time away after his dad was murdered. I'm taking 3 Lakers over Lebron (Kareem, Magic, Kobe) if I'm building my team. And they are still after Jordan. Lebron doesn't have that Jordan or Kobe mentality. He's also been in an era where he just bulldozes and travels on most plays. Exceptional athlete and player. But he's not the leader or competitor that Jordan was. Objectively based on his career - he just isn't. Can you recall the Paxson, Kukoc and Kerr moments for Lebron? They don't exist. The fact that you would hate playing with Jordan is what his teammates said too. Yet they wouldn't have traded it for anything and he lead them to 2 3 peats. He made it hell for them and challenged them like they never would. And they stepped up when he called their number. There was no confusion on the role of every player. Paxson, complete role player - “The stories are legendary about him on the practice floor,” Paxson said. “There was something unique about what was inside of him. The challenge was always there for him, and that’s a unique trait that you don’t see in athletes too often. The great ones seem to have it.”
  - ihatepython 4y ago
    Jordan never won in the 80s against real competition. He only won after the NBA expanded and watered down the talent. Jordan might be the best 1-on-5 basketball player, but in the 80s and prior it was a team game and you had to play great as a team to win. In the 80s, Jordan was out in the first round.
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JoyfulTurkey 4y ago
Luka isn’t the most explosive or athletic player out there. Once he loses a step his game will regress a lot. LeBron was at another level of athleticism when he came out of HS. Him losing a step did not have as large of an impact. He basically has been able to have a “prime” that has lasted his whole career.
- jononomo 4y ago
  It is already clear to me that Luka is going to win more championships than LeBron. Luka is still 5-6 years away from hitting his peak as a player. He won’t even be 30 six years from now.
  - JoyfulTurkey 4y ago
    Championships are a team accomplishment. Sure, an individual player can have a larger impact in a sport like basketball since someone can play almost the entire game if necessary, but it’s not like singles tennis where one player determines the outcome. Did you watch LeBron when he was younger, or just looking at stats?

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emehex 4y ago

I'm sorry, but this is just a tremendously bad take. Total points, first 4 years in NBA (including playoffs): LeBron: 9339 Doncic: 7873

MisterBastahrd 4y ago
You're literally comparing a player who got 4 years in with one who is at his All Star break. Not sure what point you're attempting to make.
- sin7 4y ago
  Luka is currently playing in his 5th year. He has 4 years behind him. Not the best comparison, but seems fair.

HDThoreaun 4y ago

Lebron being the goat while also having a corny, 100% scandal free lifestyle is imo one of his crowning accomplishments. It is unbelievable that his greatness hasn’t gotten to his head ala Kyrie.

tayo42 4y ago
It did earlier in his career with like the decision and stuff, maybe getting criticized for stuff like that so early on made it easier to be normal for the rest of the his career. He had this kind of attention since he was in high school right?
- DragonStrength 4y ago
  Just a much more public version of so many of us having a big ego early in our careers and being humbled by those around us.

yodon 4y ago

>LeBron has never struck me as being a great player Perhaps this is a sign you should recalibrate your assessment criteria

jononomo 4y ago
LeBron has lost in the NBA finals five times. Jordan never lost in the NBA finals. When Jordan was playing in the NBA finals it was like he bent the universe to his will. LeBron doesn’t have that power. Also, Jordan won more championships. It really bugs me that anyone thinks LeBron is in the same league as Jordan.

snowwrestler 4y ago

Anyone questioning Lebron’s drive should rewatch the 2016 NBA Finals. It was an all-time example of an underdog willing themselves to win, in any sport.

jononomo 4y ago
Jordan never lost in the NBA finals and he has more championships than LeBron. LeBron has lost the finals more often than he has won the finals. What kind of great player is that?
- JoyfulTurkey 4y ago
  By this logic Robert Horry is better than Jordan. No one thinks Robert Horry is better than Jordan.

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deeg 4y ago

I'm a big basketball fan (Celtics, so I'm hardly biased) and I have the exact opposite opinion. James has been worshipped as a ball player since at least high school; the fact that he appears to be as sane and grounded as he is puts him over Jordan. He elevates his teammates more than Jordan ever could. I play a lot of ball and if we pretended I had nba level talent I would love to play with LBJ and hate playing with Jordan.

exclusiv 4y ago
> He elevates his teammates more than Jordan ever could. That makes zero sense. Jordan got everyone to buy into his obsessiveness and fully commit, getting TWO 3 peats. And it would have easily been 8 in a row if he didn't take time away after his dad was murdered. I'm taking 3 Lakers over Lebron (Kareem, Magic, Kobe) if I'm building my team. And they are still after Jordan. Lebron doesn't have that Jordan or Kobe mentality. He's also been in an era where he just bulldozes and travels on most plays. Exceptional athlete and player. But he's not the leader or competitor that Jordan was. Objectively based on his career - he just isn't. Can you recall the Paxson, Kukoc and Kerr moments for Lebron? They don't exist. The fact that you would hate playing with Jordan is what his teammates said too. Yet they wouldn't have traded it for anything and he lead them to 2 3 peats. He made it hell for them and challenged them like they never would. And they stepped up when he called their number. There was no confusion on the role of every player. Paxson, complete role player - “The stories are legendary about him on the practice floor,” Paxson said. “There was something unique about what was inside of him. The challenge was always there for him, and that’s a unique trait that you don’t see in athletes too often. The great ones seem to have it.”
- ihatepython 4y ago
  Jordan never won in the 80s against real competition. He only won after the NBA expanded and watered down the talent. Jordan might be the best 1-on-5 basketball player, but in the 80s and prior it was a team game and you had to play great as a team to win. In the 80s, Jordan was out in the first round.
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JoyfulTurkey 4y ago

Luka isn’t the most explosive or athletic player out there. Once he loses a step his game will regress a lot. LeBron was at another level of athleticism when he came out of HS. Him losing a step did not have as large of an impact. He basically has been able to have a “prime” that has lasted his whole career.

jononomo 4y ago
It is already clear to me that Luka is going to win more championships than LeBron. Luka is still 5-6 years away from hitting his peak as a player. He won’t even be 30 six years from now.
- JoyfulTurkey 4y ago
  Championships are a team accomplishment. Sure, an individual player can have a larger impact in a sport like basketball since someone can play almost the entire game if necessary, but it’s not like singles tennis where one player determines the outcome. Did you watch LeBron when he was younger, or just looking at stats?