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> It should be about the value I bring to the company Your salary has never been even related to the value you bring the company. That is just the absolute max

> It should be about the value I bring to the company Your salary has never been even related to the value you bring the company. That is just the absolute maximum they're willing to pay. Your salary is the lowest your company thinks they can pay to get a suitable employee. They pay remote workers less because there are remote workers willing to work for less, simple as that.

JohnFen 4y ago
This. Proof of it is in the pay rates of CEOs.
- PM_me_your_math 4y ago
  How do you figure? The CEO and a process employee of the company have two entirely different roles.
  - JohnFen 4y ago
    I think it defies belief that the highest-paid CEOs bring so much value to their company that it covers their salaries and other compensation. They are, to me, a clear indication that compensation rates are only loosely correlated to value. There is some correlation, don't get me wrong, but it looks like people are generally undervalued at the low end of the compensation spectrum and overvalued at the high end.
    - ideamotor 4y ago
      I think what you’ve described is the standard train track large company. For a smaller roller coaster company, I disagree.
      - JohnFen 4y ago
        Yes. I'm talking broad strokes. The overpaid CEO thing is primarily an effect in major corporations.
pelasaco 4y ago
but that's only maybe true during the hiring process. If you work well, after some months, it will be corrected.
- red-iron-pine 4y ago
  citation needed. no shortage of threads here or reddit or elsewhere: "new guy got hired and they;re making 10k more than me and I've been here 5 years" and the like. there is a reason jumping every 2-3 years gives a better raise than sitting in the same job.
  - pelasaco 4y ago
    > new guy got hired and they;re making 10k more than me and I've been here 5 years Your mistake is to assume that you (being there 5 year) is doing your work well and over the expectations, becoming an important piece to your team. Important enough that your manager wants to secure you as part of the team. Maybe you are just average. Regardless of being 2, 5 or 10 years there.
    - _madmax_ 4y ago
      > Important enough that your manager wants to secure you as part of the team I guess that can happen. I suspect in the majority of cases, you keep your shitpay even if you become a supremely efficient pillar. Employers are not friends, they're businesses who thinks like psychopaths, so manage your expectations and get as much money as you can from them. You need them but they need you, so get the juice and move on when it gets hairy.
      - pelasaco 4y ago
        I don't assume that we are friends, but your manager knows who performs and who doesn't. So it's matter of saving his own head. So, become effective and expert and so you will always be able to get your salary corrected..and if doesn't work, you are ready to go out and search for something new

JohnFen 4y ago

This. Proof of it is in the pay rates of CEOs.

PM_me_your_math 4y ago
How do you figure? The CEO and a process employee of the company have two entirely different roles.
- JohnFen 4y ago
  I think it defies belief that the highest-paid CEOs bring so much value to their company that it covers their salaries and other compensation. They are, to me, a clear indication that compensation rates are only loosely correlated to value. There is some correlation, don't get me wrong, but it looks like people are generally undervalued at the low end of the compensation spectrum and overvalued at the high end.
  - ideamotor 4y ago
    I think what you’ve described is the standard train track large company. For a smaller roller coaster company, I disagree.
    - JohnFen 4y ago
      Yes. I'm talking broad strokes. The overpaid CEO thing is primarily an effect in major corporations.

pelasaco 4y ago

but that's only maybe true during the hiring process. If you work well, after some months, it will be corrected.

red-iron-pine 4y ago
citation needed. no shortage of threads here or reddit or elsewhere: "new guy got hired and they;re making 10k more than me and I've been here 5 years" and the like. there is a reason jumping every 2-3 years gives a better raise than sitting in the same job.
- pelasaco 4y ago
  > new guy got hired and they;re making 10k more than me and I've been here 5 years Your mistake is to assume that you (being there 5 year) is doing your work well and over the expectations, becoming an important piece to your team. Important enough that your manager wants to secure you as part of the team. Maybe you are just average. Regardless of being 2, 5 or 10 years there.
  - _madmax_ 4y ago
    > Important enough that your manager wants to secure you as part of the team I guess that can happen. I suspect in the majority of cases, you keep your shitpay even if you become a supremely efficient pillar. Employers are not friends, they're businesses who thinks like psychopaths, so manage your expectations and get as much money as you can from them. You need them but they need you, so get the juice and move on when it gets hairy.
    - pelasaco 4y ago
      I don't assume that we are friends, but your manager knows who performs and who doesn't. So it's matter of saving his own head. So, become effective and expert and so you will always be able to get your salary corrected..and if doesn't work, you are ready to go out and search for something new