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That's the point the author is trying to make. That it is unjust to have to spend so much for end of life care and that as a society we should feel ashamed

by TSiege 4y ago

sokoloff 4y ago
The grandmother required 24-hour care, which they received for $13K/month. For a 30-day month, that's $16.77/hr to the worker plus $1.28 to SS/Medicare if you allow for 0 minutes of shift-hand-off, PTO/sick, etc. How much less than $16.77/hr do we think that care should cost? (Note that Massachusetts has a $15 minimum wage. This care cost less than 12% over minimum wage.)
- siilats 4y ago
  Exactly. 24h will cost the same everywhere. Maybe you can use a video baby monitor at night to reduce from 24 to 16h a day
- pibechorro 4y ago
  Free obviously /s, because people dont understand basic economics and are either delusional it will be cheaper in a monopoly (socialized) (assuming you even have the choice to die at home with it) or want to imagine people working for free like doctors and nurses. That being said the corruption in the us system is insane, insurance companies being protected by regulations against competition, big pharmas regulatory capture and media control, etc. The answer is a more competitive marketplace, including non profits. Not a eu socialized model.
- em500 4y ago
  Yup, it seems people gloss over that 24*7 care means 168hr per week, i.e. 4x42hr or 3x56 hr of labor per week. The only ways to make this cheaper is 1) lower salaries, 2) fewer hours or 3) have someone else pick up the tab (which can sometimes work on the individual level but not on the societal level)
phphphphp 4y ago
I think you're reading the parent post the wrong way around: in many cultures, paying for your relatives is an honour and obligation. i.e: Paying a lot of money for your grandmother's end of life care is the bare minimum, not something to complain about or expect the state to handle.
- stuaxo 4y ago
  In other cultures there is no way it would cost that much, or anything at all.
- dpkirchner 4y ago
  How much does paying for your relatives cost in places where those cultures exist, relative to median income?

That's the point the author is trying to make. That it is unjust to have to spend so much for end of life care and that as a society we should feel ashamed

by TSiege 4y ago

That's the point the author is trying to make. That it is unjust to have to spend so much for end of life care and that as a society we should feel ashamed

sokoloff 4y ago

The grandmother required 24-hour care, which they received for $13K/month. For a 30-day month, that's $16.77/hr to the worker plus $1.28 to SS/Medicare if you allow for 0 minutes of shift-hand-off, PTO/sick, etc. How much less than $16.77/hr do we think that care should cost? (Note that Massachusetts has a $15 minimum wage. This care cost less than 12% over minimum wage.)

siilats 4y ago
Exactly. 24h will cost the same everywhere. Maybe you can use a video baby monitor at night to reduce from 24 to 16h a day
pibechorro 4y ago
Free obviously /s, because people dont understand basic economics and are either delusional it will be cheaper in a monopoly (socialized) (assuming you even have the choice to die at home with it) or want to imagine people working for free like doctors and nurses. That being said the corruption in the us system is insane, insurance companies being protected by regulations against competition, big pharmas regulatory capture and media control, etc. The answer is a more competitive marketplace, including non profits. Not a eu socialized model.
em500 4y ago
Yup, it seems people gloss over that 24*7 care means 168hr per week, i.e. 4x42hr or 3x56 hr of labor per week. The only ways to make this cheaper is 1) lower salaries, 2) fewer hours or 3) have someone else pick up the tab (which can sometimes work on the individual level but not on the societal level)

phphphphp 4y ago

I think you're reading the parent post the wrong way around: in many cultures, paying for your relatives is an honour and obligation. i.e: Paying a lot of money for your grandmother's end of life care is the bare minimum, not something to complain about or expect the state to handle.

stuaxo 4y ago
In other cultures there is no way it would cost that much, or anything at all.
dpkirchner 4y ago
How much does paying for your relatives cost in places where those cultures exist, relative to median income?