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Yesterday there was a lot of chatter in various fora about the recent near-tragedy at Austin Bergstrom Airport. Obviously you won't see this in the news, but ap

Yesterday there was a lot of chatter in various fora about the recent near-tragedy at Austin Bergstrom Airport. Obviously you won't see this in the news, but apparently the cause of the incident was an air traffic controller who has a reputation in the industry for incompetence, but can't be fired because he continuously files EEOC claims. I think that is an example of where we wind up.

JumpCrisscross 4y ago
Source?
- CWuestefeld 4y ago
  example: https://old.reddit.com/r/ATC/comments/10u0zvl/disaster_averted_at_austin_airport_after_fedex/ https://old.reddit.com/r/ATC/comments/10u0zvl/disaster_avert... Like, this sub-thread: https://old.reddit.com/r/ATC/comments/10u0zvl/disaster_averted_at_austin_airport_after_fedex/j7b4heh/ https://old.reddit.com/r/ATC/comments/10u0zvl/disaster_avert... I should point out that this is all, like, third hand.
banannaise 4y ago
And this ATC was hired and retained for DEI purposes? What relevance does this have, aside from insinuating that DEI is a scheme to replace good workers with incompetent ones?
- red-iron-pine 4y ago
  ATCs are high stress jobs where screw-ups can and will kill people. They cap the number of hours they can work per day, have mandatory breaks, and mandatory rest periods. Qualification to work in the field is hard -- and pay is often pretty good for that reason. If this dude wasn't any good then he probably got shit-canned rapidly and played EEOC to CYA.
- CWuestefeld 4y ago
  > insinuating that DEI is a scheme to replace good workers with incompetent ones? No, not that this is its purpose. But it may be the effect of how it's being implemented. Fealty to the gods of Equity prevent anyone from admitting that EEO claims can be a tool to unjustly shield bad workers. IF it's not obvious, I don't mean that no EEO claims are justified. But on the other side of the coin, many of them are unjustified.
kenjackson 4y ago
People literally get fired everyday with EEOC claims. In fact it’s quite the opposite. Most people who file EEOC claims lose their job. https://www.govexec.com/workforce/2021/07/63-workers-who-file-eeoc-discrimination-complaint-lose-their-jobs/183849/ https://www.govexec.com/workforce/2021/07/63-workers-who-fil...
- bluGill 4y ago
  Sure, but it is a lot harder. When someone knows how to file claims you need to carefully work out the paperwork. My brother was boss of such a person for a while, the need to carefully keep track of everything drove him to quit - the replacement enjoyed tracked everything and didn't need very long to have enough paperwork correct to fire the file claims on everything person.
  - kenjackson 4y ago
    Firing someone is a lot of work in general. It’s easily the worst part of my job. You always have to do the paperwork at a big company. EEOC or discrimination claims or not (you always assume they will file one at some point). Anyone who says this is the reason a person isn’t fired is probably lying or doesn’t know the facts on the ground.
    - bluGill 4y ago
      My brother probably didn't have the paperwork in place to fire the person in question. Having to collect it was the part he didn't want to have to do. Every time my brother brought the person in question in to talk about issues the person ran to an EEOC complaint.
    - CWuestefeld 4y ago
      My experience is that avoiding such claims (EEO and others like them) is the single biggest reason for the existence of HR. They want you to think they're there to stick up for the employee, but making sure the company's butt is covered from liability is their real point.
- 4y ago

JumpCrisscross 4y ago

Source?

CWuestefeld 4y ago
example: https://old.reddit.com/r/ATC/comments/10u0zvl/disaster_averted_at_austin_airport_after_fedex/ https://old.reddit.com/r/ATC/comments/10u0zvl/disaster_avert... Like, this sub-thread: https://old.reddit.com/r/ATC/comments/10u0zvl/disaster_averted_at_austin_airport_after_fedex/j7b4heh/ https://old.reddit.com/r/ATC/comments/10u0zvl/disaster_avert... I should point out that this is all, like, third hand.

banannaise 4y ago

And this ATC was hired and retained for DEI purposes? What relevance does this have, aside from insinuating that DEI is a scheme to replace good workers with incompetent ones?

red-iron-pine 4y ago
ATCs are high stress jobs where screw-ups can and will kill people. They cap the number of hours they can work per day, have mandatory breaks, and mandatory rest periods. Qualification to work in the field is hard -- and pay is often pretty good for that reason. If this dude wasn't any good then he probably got shit-canned rapidly and played EEOC to CYA.
CWuestefeld 4y ago
> insinuating that DEI is a scheme to replace good workers with incompetent ones? No, not that this is its purpose. But it may be the effect of how it's being implemented. Fealty to the gods of Equity prevent anyone from admitting that EEO claims can be a tool to unjustly shield bad workers. IF it's not obvious, I don't mean that no EEO claims are justified. But on the other side of the coin, many of them are unjustified.

kenjackson 4y ago

People literally get fired everyday with EEOC claims. In fact it’s quite the opposite. Most people who file EEOC claims lose their job. https://www.govexec.com/workforce/2021/07/63-workers-who-file-eeoc-discrimination-complaint-lose-their-jobs/183849/ https://www.govexec.com/workforce/2021/07/63-workers-who-fil...

bluGill 4y ago
Sure, but it is a lot harder. When someone knows how to file claims you need to carefully work out the paperwork. My brother was boss of such a person for a while, the need to carefully keep track of everything drove him to quit - the replacement enjoyed tracked everything and didn't need very long to have enough paperwork correct to fire the file claims on everything person.
- kenjackson 4y ago
  Firing someone is a lot of work in general. It’s easily the worst part of my job. You always have to do the paperwork at a big company. EEOC or discrimination claims or not (you always assume they will file one at some point). Anyone who says this is the reason a person isn’t fired is probably lying or doesn’t know the facts on the ground.
  - bluGill 4y ago
    My brother probably didn't have the paperwork in place to fire the person in question. Having to collect it was the part he didn't want to have to do. Every time my brother brought the person in question in to talk about issues the person ran to an EEOC complaint.
  - CWuestefeld 4y ago
    My experience is that avoiding such claims (EEO and others like them) is the single biggest reason for the existence of HR. They want you to think they're there to stick up for the employee, but making sure the company's butt is covered from liability is their real point.
4y ago