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Given that the example is a biology department, it is inevitable to evoke Lysenkoism. But unfortunately it is not limited to biology nor education. Large corpor

by cm2187 4y ago

Given that the example is a biology department, it is inevitable to evoke Lysenkoism. But unfortunately it is not limited to biology nor education. Large corporations are pulling slides from the US democratic party manifest in mandatory trainings. I have no idea how they think it is appropriate.

sfpotter 4y ago
Large corporations can do whatever they like provided that they deliver profits to shareholders. Do you think they care what you think?
- sfpotter 4y ago
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  - dang 4y ago
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sangnoir 4y ago
Large corporations tend to be multicultural. Training employees to respect colleagues regardless of their background, and to be mindful of potential cultural minefields is not "pulling slides from the US Democratic party", but is any company's self-interest. I know the culture war is now being fought openly, but this is such a disappointingly shallow reading - especially on HN. Companies are not being "woke" to be cool, they provide training as a legal shield so that when the next racist shithead employee does what racist shitheads do and the company gets sued, a company rep will take the stand in court and testify that it is not company policy and refer to the training that was provided. Companies have not stopped being capitalist, DEI is clearly legal CYA but the culture warriors will miss that. Next rime you take DEI training, count the number of times they mention laws and statutes pertaining to protected classes and discrimination.
- cm2187 4y ago
  I was litterally presented with a slide from Kamala Harris' campaign.
- Georgelemental 4y ago
  You are correct. Far too many conservatives fail to realize that DEI nonsense is in large part a legal liability shield against the armies of rapacious trial lawyers and fundamentalist bureaucrats. Kind of like how in authoritarian regimes, the statues of Glorious Leader get larger and larger, because nobody wants to have the smallest statue. Expunging DEI nonsense has to happen in the legislatures. https://richardhanania.substack.com/p/woke-institutions-is-just-civil-rights https://richardhanania.substack.com/p/woke-institutions-is-j... https://richardhanania.substack.com/p/wokeness-as-saddam-statues-the-case https://richardhanania.substack.com/p/wokeness-as-saddam-sta...
fidgewidge 4y ago
"I have no idea how they think it is appropriate." They don't see politics as a series of intellectual debates between sides with opposing experiences and views, resolved via votes. They think they're perfect angels and their opponents are an evil that should not exist at all. If they thought they could force you to vote Democrat as part of your job contract they'd do it in a heartbeat. If they thought they had a way to eliminate the Republicans forever and then ban it from ever re-emerging, they wouldn't even hesitate. If you think that's extreme or flamebait, well, it's what US academia is now actually doing via these loyalty pledges and openly politically biased hiring practices: systematically erase the non-left from academic existence. It's what happened to James Damore, it's what your HR department would do to you in an instant if you complained about the inappropriateness of forcing employees to sit through left wing political material. They would love you to complain so they can identify you and eliminate you because that's just how they roll. At some point, our society is going to have to face the fact that this is how it always goes with the left. It has happened throughout history, going back to the French Revolution. Having a left that doesn't try and take over to impose a dictatorship the moment it spies an opportunity to do so is very difficult. In Europe there is a similar problem except it's being done via encoding leftist worldviews into the European Union, instead of by trying to take over universities and corporations, and is arguably more advanced. It's a really big problem and it's very unclear what to do about it. Society needs to (re)develop norms and taboos about allowing anything to do with politics into the workplace. Or it needs to radically shift towards the libertarian right, as a way to mitigate the risk of a left wing violent uprising. NB for any lefties who never got the memo at the end of the 20th century, "the left" doesn't refer to anti-war anti-capitalists anymore. It refers to middle class culture and eco warriors - the sort of people the WSJ article is about.

by cm2187 4y ago

sfpotter 4y ago

Large corporations can do whatever they like provided that they deliver profits to shareholders. Do you think they care what you think?

sfpotter 4y ago
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- dang 4y ago
  You're breaking the site guidelines by posting unsubstantive/flamebait comments. Please don't do that. If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it. Note these ones: "Eschew flamebait. Avoid generic tangents." "Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive." "Don't be snarky." "Please don't comment about the voting on comments. It never does any good, and it makes boring reading." "Please don't sneer, including at the rest of the community."

sangnoir 4y ago

Large corporations tend to be multicultural. Training employees to respect colleagues regardless of their background, and to be mindful of potential cultural minefields is not "pulling slides from the US Democratic party", but is any company's self-interest. I know the culture war is now being fought openly, but this is such a disappointingly shallow reading - especially on HN. Companies are not being "woke" to be cool, they provide training as a legal shield so that when the next racist shithead employee does what racist shitheads do and the company gets sued, a company rep will take the stand in court and testify that it is not company policy and refer to the training that was provided. Companies have not stopped being capitalist, DEI is clearly legal CYA but the culture warriors will miss that. Next rime you take DEI training, count the number of times they mention laws and statutes pertaining to protected classes and discrimination.

cm2187 4y ago
I was litterally presented with a slide from Kamala Harris' campaign.
Georgelemental 4y ago
You are correct. Far too many conservatives fail to realize that DEI nonsense is in large part a legal liability shield against the armies of rapacious trial lawyers and fundamentalist bureaucrats. Kind of like how in authoritarian regimes, the statues of Glorious Leader get larger and larger, because nobody wants to have the smallest statue. Expunging DEI nonsense has to happen in the legislatures. https://richardhanania.substack.com/p/woke-institutions-is-just-civil-rights https://richardhanania.substack.com/p/woke-institutions-is-j... https://richardhanania.substack.com/p/wokeness-as-saddam-statues-the-case https://richardhanania.substack.com/p/wokeness-as-saddam-sta...

fidgewidge 4y ago

"I have no idea how they think it is appropriate." They don't see politics as a series of intellectual debates between sides with opposing experiences and views, resolved via votes. They think they're perfect angels and their opponents are an evil that should not exist at all. If they thought they could force you to vote Democrat as part of your job contract they'd do it in a heartbeat. If they thought they had a way to eliminate the Republicans forever and then ban it from ever re-emerging, they wouldn't even hesitate. If you think that's extreme or flamebait, well, it's what US academia is now actually doing via these loyalty pledges and openly politically biased hiring practices: systematically erase the non-left from academic existence. It's what happened to James Damore, it's what your HR department would do to you in an instant if you complained about the inappropriateness of forcing employees to sit through left wing political material. They would love you to complain so they can identify you and eliminate you because that's just how they roll. At some point, our society is going to have to face the fact that this is how it always goes with the left. It has happened throughout history, going back to the French Revolution. Having a left that doesn't try and take over to impose a dictatorship the moment it spies an opportunity to do so is very difficult. In Europe there is a similar problem except it's being done via encoding leftist worldviews into the European Union, instead of by trying to take over universities and corporations, and is arguably more advanced. It's a really big problem and it's very unclear what to do about it. Society needs to (re)develop norms and taboos about allowing anything to do with politics into the workplace. Or it needs to radically shift towards the libertarian right, as a way to mitigate the risk of a left wing violent uprising. NB for any lefties who never got the memo at the end of the 20th century, "the left" doesn't refer to anti-war anti-capitalists anymore. It refers to middle class culture and eco warriors - the sort of people the WSJ article is about.