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"only foreign websites which would be prosecuted under US law would possibly be affected by this" "not a big deal." Says you. That is a pretty big fucking de

"only foreign websites which would be prosecuted under US law would possibly be affected by this" "not a big deal." Says you. That is a pretty big fucking deal. EDIT: I've read your submission. Your argument seems to be "ICE already does this, so we might as well let SOPA legitimize it". I hope you can see why most sensible people would find this logic dissatisfying.

EGreg 15y ago
Wait, so if a website is located in another country and would be criminally prosecuted had they been running in the USA, then case closed, they should be able to do as they please with the hollywood blockbusters produced in the US? For example they can set up a website which is dedicated to allowing everyone, including US citizens to download movies and songs for free as much as they want? If you say yes, then you are really just against intellectual property protection of any kind, and believe that copyright should be abolished. Because by definition whatever protection the government afford copyright holders, someone can set up an offshore website with an offshore registrar and simply invite US citizens to get everything for free. And they can make money off ads, too :) Or better yet, what about trademark infringement? What about counterfeit goods being sold from offshore websites? Should they stay up and do whatever they want, putting "Rolex" on their fake watches?
- burgerbrain 15y ago
  I guess "jurisdiction" is a new concept to you. The answer to all of your questions should be obvious otherwise. The US is not World Police. Get over it.
  - EGreg 15y ago
    Yo, jurisdiction is the reason for SOPA
    - burgerbrain 15y ago
      Or more accurately, lack of it.
      - EGreg 15y ago
        Although to be fair I think SOPA is pretty benign now. I am actually sort of in favor of it as log as it doesn't harm american websites and as long as it doesn't require anyone to make special exceptions in the DNS. Preventing American based advertisers and banks from paying foreign-based sites which would be prosecuted in the united states seems like something we should be able to do, so that Americans' unlimited ability to download hollywood movies from foreign based sites and songs from kontakte is limited. America isn't overstepping its juridiction if it is only legislating what American companies can do. That said, I disagree with the lack of due process in SOPA. I much prefer Issa's bill called OPEN. Issa rightly pointed out that there are better agencies for this than the attorney general's office, such as the ITC.
      - EGreg 15y ago
        Although to be fair I think SOPA is pretty benign now. I am actually sort of in favor of it as log as it doesn't harm american websites and as long as it doesn't require anyone to make special exceptions in the DNS. Preventing American based advertisers and banks from paying foreign-based sites which would be prosecuted for being egregiously devoted to piracy or trademark infringement, in the united states seems like something we should be able to do, so that Americans' unlimited ability to download hollywood movies from foreign based sites and songs from kontakte is limited. America isn't overstepping its juridiction if it is only legislating what American companies can do. That said, I disagree with the lack of due process in SOPA. I much prefer Issa's bill called OPEN. Issa rightly pointed out that there are better agencies for this than the attorney general's office, such as the ITC.
      - EGreg 15y ago
        Although to be fair I think SOPA is pretty benign now. I am actually sort of in favor of it as log as it doesn't harm american websites and as long as it doesn't require anyone to make special exceptions in the DNS. Preventing American based advertisers and banks from paying foreign-based sites which would be prosecuted for being egregiously devoted to piracy or trademark infringement, in the united states seems like something we should be able to do, so that Americans' unlimited ability to download hollywood movies from foreign based sites and songs from kontakte is limited. America isn't overstepping its juridiction if it is only legislating what American companies can do. That said, I disagree with the lack of due process in SOPA. I much prefer Issa's bill called OPEN. Issa rightly pointed out that there are better agencies for this than the attorney general's office, such as the ITC. What I want to know is, where are the provisions in SOPA that say you can be thrown in jail for uploading a song? I thought SOPA was just about curtailing distribution of infringing material by foreign websites.

EGreg 15y ago

Wait, so if a website is located in another country and would be criminally prosecuted had they been running in the USA, then case closed, they should be able to do as they please with the hollywood blockbusters produced in the US? For example they can set up a website which is dedicated to allowing everyone, including US citizens to download movies and songs for free as much as they want? If you say yes, then you are really just against intellectual property protection of any kind, and believe that copyright should be abolished. Because by definition whatever protection the government afford copyright holders, someone can set up an offshore website with an offshore registrar and simply invite US citizens to get everything for free. And they can make money off ads, too :) Or better yet, what about trademark infringement? What about counterfeit goods being sold from offshore websites? Should they stay up and do whatever they want, putting "Rolex" on their fake watches?

burgerbrain 15y ago
I guess "jurisdiction" is a new concept to you. The answer to all of your questions should be obvious otherwise. The US is not World Police. Get over it.
- EGreg 15y ago
  Yo, jurisdiction is the reason for SOPA
  - burgerbrain 15y ago
    Or more accurately, lack of it.
    - EGreg 15y ago
      Although to be fair I think SOPA is pretty benign now. I am actually sort of in favor of it as log as it doesn't harm american websites and as long as it doesn't require anyone to make special exceptions in the DNS. Preventing American based advertisers and banks from paying foreign-based sites which would be prosecuted in the united states seems like something we should be able to do, so that Americans' unlimited ability to download hollywood movies from foreign based sites and songs from kontakte is limited. America isn't overstepping its juridiction if it is only legislating what American companies can do. That said, I disagree with the lack of due process in SOPA. I much prefer Issa's bill called OPEN. Issa rightly pointed out that there are better agencies for this than the attorney general's office, such as the ITC.
    - EGreg 15y ago
      Although to be fair I think SOPA is pretty benign now. I am actually sort of in favor of it as log as it doesn't harm american websites and as long as it doesn't require anyone to make special exceptions in the DNS. Preventing American based advertisers and banks from paying foreign-based sites which would be prosecuted for being egregiously devoted to piracy or trademark infringement, in the united states seems like something we should be able to do, so that Americans' unlimited ability to download hollywood movies from foreign based sites and songs from kontakte is limited. America isn't overstepping its juridiction if it is only legislating what American companies can do. That said, I disagree with the lack of due process in SOPA. I much prefer Issa's bill called OPEN. Issa rightly pointed out that there are better agencies for this than the attorney general's office, such as the ITC.
    - EGreg 15y ago
      Although to be fair I think SOPA is pretty benign now. I am actually sort of in favor of it as log as it doesn't harm american websites and as long as it doesn't require anyone to make special exceptions in the DNS. Preventing American based advertisers and banks from paying foreign-based sites which would be prosecuted for being egregiously devoted to piracy or trademark infringement, in the united states seems like something we should be able to do, so that Americans' unlimited ability to download hollywood movies from foreign based sites and songs from kontakte is limited. America isn't overstepping its juridiction if it is only legislating what American companies can do. That said, I disagree with the lack of due process in SOPA. I much prefer Issa's bill called OPEN. Issa rightly pointed out that there are better agencies for this than the attorney general's office, such as the ITC. What I want to know is, where are the provisions in SOPA that say you can be thrown in jail for uploading a song? I thought SOPA was just about curtailing distribution of infringing material by foreign websites.