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>> but it will allow people to get bread and milk from within a hostile system until that core problem is resolved ...my grandparents were naturalized citizens

>> but it will allow people to get bread and milk from within a hostile system until that core problem is resolved ...my grandparents were naturalized citizens of Argentina and dealt with the same exact situations in the 1930s and 40s. The government got much, much worse before it got remotely better. Mostly due to the passions of people easily swayed by populists slogans about changing the government.

throwaway290 4y ago
Do a thought experiment and understand that if there was crypto at that time to prop up the bad government it would never get better. (And before you start, don't equate crypto with cash. Cash that scales without physical and geographical boundaries is not cash anymore, any lessons you can draw from cash being used throughout humanity's history won't apply.)
- noduerme 4y ago
  I'm not sure I get the point. You mean international crypto flowing in to prop up a bad government? There was plenty of crypto going into Ukraine during the Maidan revolution and since from Russia; unless you believe there was more coming from America, I don't see how the form of money transfer would be a decisive factor. Many Argentines believe that in the 1940s it was Nazi gold transported by submarine that held up the Perón. Does that justify seizing gold from some family's safe deposit box halfway around the world?
  - throwaway290 4y ago
    > You mean international crypto flowing in to prop up a bad government? No. I mean laundering. That's what started this subthread. Using dirty money to get clean money, goods and services where otherwise it would be difficult to do in a sneaky untraceable way. I don't understand the analogy with Argentina and the point about crypto in Ukraine, feel free to explain, but only if it's not something orthogonal but an actual counter argument to me saying that whatever legitimate uses you see small people have for untraceable dark market of crypto dictators use it 1000x more perpetuating themselves and making the very same small people suffer more long term and corrupting the world.

throwaway290 4y ago

Do a thought experiment and understand that if there was crypto at that time to prop up the bad government it would never get better. (And before you start, don't equate crypto with cash. Cash that scales without physical and geographical boundaries is not cash anymore, any lessons you can draw from cash being used throughout humanity's history won't apply.)

noduerme 4y ago
I'm not sure I get the point. You mean international crypto flowing in to prop up a bad government? There was plenty of crypto going into Ukraine during the Maidan revolution and since from Russia; unless you believe there was more coming from America, I don't see how the form of money transfer would be a decisive factor. Many Argentines believe that in the 1940s it was Nazi gold transported by submarine that held up the Perón. Does that justify seizing gold from some family's safe deposit box halfway around the world?
- throwaway290 4y ago
  > You mean international crypto flowing in to prop up a bad government? No. I mean laundering. That's what started this subthread. Using dirty money to get clean money, goods and services where otherwise it would be difficult to do in a sneaky untraceable way. I don't understand the analogy with Argentina and the point about crypto in Ukraine, feel free to explain, but only if it's not something orthogonal but an actual counter argument to me saying that whatever legitimate uses you see small people have for untraceable dark market of crypto dictators use it 1000x more perpetuating themselves and making the very same small people suffer more long term and corrupting the world.