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> I never got PTSD from it because I stood my ground. I'm glad that you didn't get PTSD, but that's not how that works. PTSD isn't "anxiousness because I didn'

by 4ggr0 4y ago

> I never got PTSD from it because I stood my ground. I'm glad that you didn't get PTSD, but that's not how that works. PTSD isn't "anxiousness because I didn't stand my ground", it's mental baggage which occurs after traumatic experiences. That can happen even if you stand your ground. Just wanted to mention this because it almost seems malicious to build the narrative of "if you defend yourself you also avoid PTSD".

wyldfire 4y ago
> That can happen even if you stand your ground. But I told the IEDs, "You shall not p<explosion!>" ...
- 4ggr0 4y ago
  Haha :') I give OP the benefit of the doubt that they only apply their logic to defendable, human vs. human interactions, but even then - You can get PTSD no matter what you do. Successfully preventing someone from taking your wallet can cause PTSD, surviving an IED blast without injuries can cause it, etc. You can get PTSD "just" from witnessing a stranger being robbed. And of course getting PTSD doesn't mean that someone is weak-minded or whatever.
- graphe 4y ago
  If you talk to IEDs you have mental issues.
graphe 4y ago
I'm speaking about my experiences. Notice how you quoted me saying how it worked for me. Why are you are dismissing it or telling me what it is? Why is my experience sharing malicious?
- 4ggr0 4y ago
  No. What I am complaining about is the use of "because" in your statement: > I never got PTSD from it because I stood my ground. You did not get PTSD. That's great! Glad for you. But you can't know for sure why you didn't get it. That's the reason I think that it almost seems malicious to say that you didn't get it, because you stood your ground. Which makes it seem like you would've got PTSD, if you didn't stand your ground. So especially when replying to someone who has PTSD, it makes it seem like they should've just "stood their ground", because you know, according to you, that is the reason you didn't get it. But you or I or we can't know why you didn't get it. Or why exactly they got it. Now, if that wasn't your intention at all - Then I'm sorry. But as you can see by the reactions to our comments, I wasn't the only one who misunderstood you. Maybe that's a hint :)
  - graphe 4y ago
    They were shot through and someone else was shot to death. You can't stand your ground or fight that his situation. He was lucky and may have had survivors guilt. I get that you're trying to be helpful but I only shared my experiences and it doesn't at all apply to his situation. But the stiflingly soft language that you use to dismantle my experience such as "But you can't know for sure why you didn't get it." is passive agressive and I'm telling you to stop insulting my intelligence. Why don't you post that to the person I replied to when they said mediation worked for them or tell them you don't know if they actually have PTSD?
    - 4ggr0 4y ago
      > I'm telling you to stop insulting my intelligence Okay. Then I'll stop. Have a good day!
TomSwirly 4y ago
PP phrases it badly, but there is an aspect of scientific truth in there. Your chances of getting PTSD from a traumatic experience is less if you feel as if you are in control. I cannot find the paper I read at the time, I feel I'm missing the right phrase, but here's a more recent one: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6161595/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6161595/ --- I have had three memorable traumatic events in a fairly long life, each about ten years apart. I was in an explosion where my girlfriend and I were the closest people to survive; I was in a physically abusive relationship; and I was in an abusive work situation. I had no effects from the explosion. It took me over a year to recover from the abusive relationship and separately, from the abusive job. A counselor explained to me the reason was that after the explosion, I was in control and immediately made the right decisions to survive basically unscratched, so I experienced no trauma. In the other two cases, I was trapped and felt powerless.
- graphe 4y ago
  Thank you for sharing your own similar experience and understanding me. It's difficult for me to explain abuse without being stifled, but I have a feeling while everyone online talks about telling you to stop victim blaming, the abused one is victim blaming themselves anyway. It's why it's so traumatic, I replayed the situation to make sense of it, and it hurt every time, until I got out of that mental rut. It's funny, when bad things happen I dismiss other problems I had because I had a worst one before so it helped with stresses.

by 4ggr0 4y ago

wyldfire 4y ago

> That can happen even if you stand your ground. But I told the IEDs, "You shall not p<explosion!>" ...

4ggr0 4y ago
Haha :') I give OP the benefit of the doubt that they only apply their logic to defendable, human vs. human interactions, but even then - You can get PTSD no matter what you do. Successfully preventing someone from taking your wallet can cause PTSD, surviving an IED blast without injuries can cause it, etc. You can get PTSD "just" from witnessing a stranger being robbed. And of course getting PTSD doesn't mean that someone is weak-minded or whatever.
graphe 4y ago
If you talk to IEDs you have mental issues.

graphe 4y ago

I'm speaking about my experiences. Notice how you quoted me saying how it worked for me. Why are you are dismissing it or telling me what it is? Why is my experience sharing malicious?

4ggr0 4y ago
No. What I am complaining about is the use of "because" in your statement: > I never got PTSD from it because I stood my ground. You did not get PTSD. That's great! Glad for you. But you can't know for sure why you didn't get it. That's the reason I think that it almost seems malicious to say that you didn't get it, because you stood your ground. Which makes it seem like you would've got PTSD, if you didn't stand your ground. So especially when replying to someone who has PTSD, it makes it seem like they should've just "stood their ground", because you know, according to you, that is the reason you didn't get it. But you or I or we can't know why you didn't get it. Or why exactly they got it. Now, if that wasn't your intention at all - Then I'm sorry. But as you can see by the reactions to our comments, I wasn't the only one who misunderstood you. Maybe that's a hint :)
- graphe 4y ago
  They were shot through and someone else was shot to death. You can't stand your ground or fight that his situation. He was lucky and may have had survivors guilt. I get that you're trying to be helpful but I only shared my experiences and it doesn't at all apply to his situation. But the stiflingly soft language that you use to dismantle my experience such as "But you can't know for sure why you didn't get it." is passive agressive and I'm telling you to stop insulting my intelligence. Why don't you post that to the person I replied to when they said mediation worked for them or tell them you don't know if they actually have PTSD?
  - 4ggr0 4y ago
    > I'm telling you to stop insulting my intelligence Okay. Then I'll stop. Have a good day!

TomSwirly 4y ago

PP phrases it badly, but there is an aspect of scientific truth in there. Your chances of getting PTSD from a traumatic experience is less if you feel as if you are in control. I cannot find the paper I read at the time, I feel I'm missing the right phrase, but here's a more recent one: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6161595/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6161595/ --- I have had three memorable traumatic events in a fairly long life, each about ten years apart. I was in an explosion where my girlfriend and I were the closest people to survive; I was in a physically abusive relationship; and I was in an abusive work situation. I had no effects from the explosion. It took me over a year to recover from the abusive relationship and separately, from the abusive job. A counselor explained to me the reason was that after the explosion, I was in control and immediately made the right decisions to survive basically unscratched, so I experienced no trauma. In the other two cases, I was trapped and felt powerless.

graphe 4y ago
Thank you for sharing your own similar experience and understanding me. It's difficult for me to explain abuse without being stifled, but I have a feeling while everyone online talks about telling you to stop victim blaming, the abused one is victim blaming themselves anyway. It's why it's so traumatic, I replayed the situation to make sense of it, and it hurt every time, until I got out of that mental rut. It's funny, when bad things happen I dismiss other problems I had because I had a worst one before so it helped with stresses.