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The biggest difference is that Podman and Buildah are funded by and used underneath OpenShift which is a huge money maker for Red Hat while Docker is on life su

by nunez 4y ago

The biggest difference is that Podman and Buildah are funded by and used underneath OpenShift which is a huge money maker for Red Hat while Docker is on life support with Mirantis holding the plug. Momentum around Docker that isn't Desktop all but halted in 2018 or so.

taftster 4y ago
Right. But Docker is not a charity. I think that Podman/Buildah is actually a superior solution. This might unfortunately mean the ultimate demise of Docker, Inc. as we know them. To be fair, I literally use Docker everyday. So I'm not necessarily rooting for its demise. But I'm seemingly happy that innovation is at least coming from somewhere in this space.
alpark3 4y ago
Really? I thought Docker was pretty widely used at companies for deployment, etc. At least it was at my company ~1 year ago. I wasn't aware that Docker was on life support in any sense.
- nunez 4y ago
  A lot of people use Docker A lot of people also don't pay for Docker
- californical 4y ago
  Widely used, but I don’t think it makes a whole lot of money to sustain itself
  - tonyhb 4y ago
    I think it’s north of $100m a year now so all of the life support talk is not based in truth.
    - deleted 4y ago
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    - gynther 4y ago
      Around $135m / year according to this: https://sacra.com/p/docker-plg-pivot/ https://sacra.com/p/docker-plg-pivot/
sp332 4y ago
Mirantis acquired the Docker Enterprise business. When Docker focused on Desktop, they became a $50MM/year company.
- nunez 4y ago
  You mean "when Docker decided to strong-arm their wealthiest customers into paying tens of thousands per month with a few months of warning, they became a $50MM/year company?" Interested in seeing how sticky that revenue is. A big chunk of its value is provided by other free solutions.
mogwire 4y ago
This is a common misconception. While podman is indeed installed on Red Hat CoreOS it does not run the containers used by OpenShift. OCP 4 uses CRI-O to run all containers and if you login as the core or root user and run podman ps you wil not see any running containers.
- nunez 4y ago
  Oh wow, I thought OCP used crun at least. Surprising! I do think the revenue from OpenShift and friends funds Podman/buildah/crun/etc.
  - gscrivano 4y ago
    Podman and CRI-O share the low level libraries (namely containers/image and containers/storage). crun is Tech Preview in OpenShift 4.12: https://cloud.redhat.com/blog/whats-new-in-red-hat-openshift-4.12-blog https://cloud.redhat.com/blog/whats-new-in-red-hat-openshift...

by nunez 4y ago

taftster 4y ago

Right. But Docker is not a charity. I think that Podman/Buildah is actually a superior solution. This might unfortunately mean the ultimate demise of Docker, Inc. as we know them. To be fair, I literally use Docker everyday. So I'm not necessarily rooting for its demise. But I'm seemingly happy that innovation is at least coming from somewhere in this space.

alpark3 4y ago

Really? I thought Docker was pretty widely used at companies for deployment, etc. At least it was at my company ~1 year ago. I wasn't aware that Docker was on life support in any sense.

nunez 4y ago
A lot of people use Docker A lot of people also don't pay for Docker
californical 4y ago
Widely used, but I don’t think it makes a whole lot of money to sustain itself
- tonyhb 4y ago
  I think it’s north of $100m a year now so all of the life support talk is not based in truth.
  - deleted 4y ago
    [deleted]
  - gynther 4y ago
    Around $135m / year according to this: https://sacra.com/p/docker-plg-pivot/ https://sacra.com/p/docker-plg-pivot/

sp332 4y ago

Mirantis acquired the Docker Enterprise business. When Docker focused on Desktop, they became a $50MM/year company.

nunez 4y ago
You mean "when Docker decided to strong-arm their wealthiest customers into paying tens of thousands per month with a few months of warning, they became a $50MM/year company?" Interested in seeing how sticky that revenue is. A big chunk of its value is provided by other free solutions.

mogwire 4y ago

This is a common misconception. While podman is indeed installed on Red Hat CoreOS it does not run the containers used by OpenShift. OCP 4 uses CRI-O to run all containers and if you login as the core or root user and run podman ps you wil not see any running containers.

nunez 4y ago
Oh wow, I thought OCP used crun at least. Surprising! I do think the revenue from OpenShift and friends funds Podman/buildah/crun/etc.
- gscrivano 4y ago
  Podman and CRI-O share the low level libraries (namely containers/image and containers/storage). crun is Tech Preview in OpenShift 4.12: https://cloud.redhat.com/blog/whats-new-in-red-hat-openshift-4.12-blog https://cloud.redhat.com/blog/whats-new-in-red-hat-openshift...