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lol, you gotta admit these were some harebrained ideas that he got over. The lessons amount to "learn to chill," probably because he has gotten a bit older (and

lol, you gotta admit these were some harebrained ideas that he got over. The lessons amount to "learn to chill," probably because he has gotten a bit older (and yep, looks like he's in his 20s). In coming years he'll be writing about the importance of family, paying attention to physical health, and spending time in nature. Universal revelations for humans as they enter their 30s.

Dr_Birdbrain 4y ago
Haha my thinking exactly. I actually read some of Guzey’s crazy ideas on sleep last year, and I am happy to discover he was just going through a phase.
pard68 4y ago
Can confirm, the year I turned thirty I bought a dairy farm in the middle of a national forest, hours from a Walmart and moved my family across the country to experience a quieter and hopefully more holistic life.
- bongobingo1 4y ago
  > kids hate it > moves to city for education and excitement >> "yeah dad moved us to the middle of no where when i was 10, i hated it" > gets high pace job >> "yeah I grew up on a small farm in the middle of no where, it was nice thb. my dad still lives there. here's bessy our cow." > starts family > sigma grind set to support family > gets burnt out > buys farm in middle of no where :GOTO 0
  - dsr_ 4y ago
    You're jesting, but: my parents both grew up in major cities. When they could afford it, they moved out to a semirural town of 5000, with the larger towns 25 miles in each direction. All their kids moved back to cities.
    - unethical_ban 4y ago
      I live in a city center and don't want to leave - in fact, I want to move to a larger city often. I'm also single and wish to have a life partner. If and when I find someone with whom I find peace and contentment to share my life with, I imagine being in the middle of the bustle won't be as necessary. (I'm aware I should not look for a life partner to make me at peace, but it sure would help).
    - iamthepieman 4y ago
      We moved back to nowhere before our kids were out of the toddler stage. All they remember is rural life. Maybe that's the key? Not that I care if my kids move to a city. I'll have a place to stay while going to the museums. My parents moved us to an old dairy farm on 30 acres with only one other house on the road. 7 miles from a town of 6000 and 50 miles from the nearest Walmart. I loved it and only moved away after college because there were no jobs here. Moved back 3.5 years later because I could buy a house for 1/3 the cost while working remote for a "city salary" and because I missed raising animals.
      - floren 4y ago
        It's something I didn't appreciate as a kid. I had to immerse myself in constant city noise and hostility and filth for almost 2 decades to really start yearning to get back again.
        BizarreByte 4y ago
        I’ll be honest I don’t really get why rural life appeals to those in the city. I think there’s a very romantic idea people have of rural life, which both does and doesn’t exist depending on location. I’ve done rural living my entire life and I’d much rather live in a city if it were a viable option. Even very basic things are far easier in the city and the city has things like emergency rooms that are open 24/7. I can’t assume my local hospital will be open if I hurt myself and the next is a ~100km drive away. Most rural areas are less hostile to your face, but the local rumour mill can be incredibly cruel and harmful behind one’s back should you not conform or if someone takes issue with you. A gay couple moved to my area and at least initially suffered greatly for it. I guess the grass isn’t necessarily greener in either direction, the challenges and issues are just different.
  - floren 4y ago
    I grew up on a farm and now I work a tech job & live in the bay area. I'm currently between stages 5 and 6, looking forward to the farm in the middle of nowhere stage.
    - eddsh1994 4y ago
      Hahaha I'm in Palo Alto, grew up in a farm, and constantly look at places online to buy. Moving to Stockholm in August, hopefully the next stop after that will be a farm.
- hammock 4y ago
  Tell us more
  - pard68 4y ago
    Not much to tell. We got sick of the city life and wanted a place where we could have our horses close at hand. Ended up moving across the country because of land costs. Bought a hundred or so acres surrounded by national forest, figure I'll never need to worry about neighbors that way. I milk cows in the morning and evening, might figure out how to make a living off that some day, and I am a software engineer working remotely thanks to starlink.
- nicbou 4y ago
  What do you do for a living now? This isn't my cup of tea, but I would just love to read about it regardless.
  - pard68 4y ago
    I'm still a software engineer. I just get up early and milk cows first. With Starlink, I can pretty much work from anywhere so the lack of internet out here isn't a problem for me.
    - nicbou 4y ago
      How do you handle the social life aspect? I found it hard to settle in the capital of another country. Does it get lonely out there sometimes?
      - pard68 4y ago
        Not too bad actually. Some one comes over to our house nearly daily for a visit. I sell raw milk, eggs, and sometimes other stuff (meat when I have it). I am the only place to buy any food stuffs for 30 miles. On top of that, we have a very active and young (like 60% under 12) church community we are part of. Then my neighbors stop in a few times a week usually to say hi or drop off compost for the hogs or something. It is quieter, but I don't think it's too quiet or lonely.
sockaddr 4y ago
You’re so right it’s hilarious to me. I’m currently going through this phase now. Relearning the same lessons that have been relearnt and forgotten ten thousand times before me. Sitting outside watching bees go about their day is a good use of your time in your 30’s.
- Sebb767 4y ago
  > Relearning the same lessons that have been relearnt and forgotten ten thousand times before me. I don't think they are forgotten, you just changed. If I think back to being a child, going to a restaurant and just sit there and talk was incredibly boring. Also, Broccoli simply tasted like shampoo. Even when people told me I would enjoy it at some point, I just could not imagine this at all. It's just a completely different mindset and it sounds absurd when people tell you that you will change that drastically.
- swyx 4y ago
  getting real Good Will Hunting vibes off this thread. "You wasted $150,000 on an education you coulda got for a buck fifty in late charges at the public library."
- nicbou 4y ago
  You would probably enjoy The Secret Life of Trees. It kicked my nature walks into twelfth gear. As did Google Lens for identifying stuff.
Swizec 4y ago
Productivity is for people with no leverage. Folks in their 20’s usually have little choice beyond grinding harder. In your 30’s you not only have more resources, you’re also more effective with their deployment. But you do have less oomph to give. I say use the oomph while you have it.
- doesnt_know 4y ago
  This one of the primary ideas in "So Good They Can't Ignore You"[1]. In your 30's there is a decent chance you've spent a bunch of time building career capital, so you're now in a position to cash that in. Highly recommend reading the book. [1] So Good They Can't Ignore You: Why Skills Trump Passion in the Quest for Work You Love, Cal Newport, https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/13525945-so-good-they-can-t-ignore-you https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/13525945-so-good-they-ca...
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  - arvinsim 4y ago
    Guess it sucks for us who weren't taught about concepts like career capital. We have to grind more to make up for lost time.
fallat 4y ago
Let me buy you a drink or pastry, because god damn I feel like this is more relevant than ever.
- titanomachy 4y ago
  Would take you up on that offer, but I no longer consume sugar or alcohol now that I'm in my thirties.
oregano 4y ago
This rings true for me as well. I’m in my mid thirties and just moved out of Seattle to live on a nearby island surrounded by trees. The night sounds of coyotes and owls is so much better than a city street.

Dr_Birdbrain 4y ago

Haha my thinking exactly. I actually read some of Guzey’s crazy ideas on sleep last year, and I am happy to discover he was just going through a phase.

pard68 4y ago

Can confirm, the year I turned thirty I bought a dairy farm in the middle of a national forest, hours from a Walmart and moved my family across the country to experience a quieter and hopefully more holistic life.

bongobingo1 4y ago
> kids hate it > moves to city for education and excitement >> "yeah dad moved us to the middle of no where when i was 10, i hated it" > gets high pace job >> "yeah I grew up on a small farm in the middle of no where, it was nice thb. my dad still lives there. here's bessy our cow." > starts family > sigma grind set to support family > gets burnt out > buys farm in middle of no where :GOTO 0
- dsr_ 4y ago
  You're jesting, but: my parents both grew up in major cities. When they could afford it, they moved out to a semirural town of 5000, with the larger towns 25 miles in each direction. All their kids moved back to cities.
  - unethical_ban 4y ago
    I live in a city center and don't want to leave - in fact, I want to move to a larger city often. I'm also single and wish to have a life partner. If and when I find someone with whom I find peace and contentment to share my life with, I imagine being in the middle of the bustle won't be as necessary. (I'm aware I should not look for a life partner to make me at peace, but it sure would help).
  - iamthepieman 4y ago
    We moved back to nowhere before our kids were out of the toddler stage. All they remember is rural life. Maybe that's the key? Not that I care if my kids move to a city. I'll have a place to stay while going to the museums. My parents moved us to an old dairy farm on 30 acres with only one other house on the road. 7 miles from a town of 6000 and 50 miles from the nearest Walmart. I loved it and only moved away after college because there were no jobs here. Moved back 3.5 years later because I could buy a house for 1/3 the cost while working remote for a "city salary" and because I missed raising animals.
    - floren 4y ago
      It's something I didn't appreciate as a kid. I had to immerse myself in constant city noise and hostility and filth for almost 2 decades to really start yearning to get back again.
      - BizarreByte 4y ago
        I’ll be honest I don’t really get why rural life appeals to those in the city. I think there’s a very romantic idea people have of rural life, which both does and doesn’t exist depending on location. I’ve done rural living my entire life and I’d much rather live in a city if it were a viable option. Even very basic things are far easier in the city and the city has things like emergency rooms that are open 24/7. I can’t assume my local hospital will be open if I hurt myself and the next is a ~100km drive away. Most rural areas are less hostile to your face, but the local rumour mill can be incredibly cruel and harmful behind one’s back should you not conform or if someone takes issue with you. A gay couple moved to my area and at least initially suffered greatly for it. I guess the grass isn’t necessarily greener in either direction, the challenges and issues are just different.
- floren 4y ago
  I grew up on a farm and now I work a tech job & live in the bay area. I'm currently between stages 5 and 6, looking forward to the farm in the middle of nowhere stage.
  - eddsh1994 4y ago
    Hahaha I'm in Palo Alto, grew up in a farm, and constantly look at places online to buy. Moving to Stockholm in August, hopefully the next stop after that will be a farm.
hammock 4y ago
Tell us more
- pard68 4y ago
  Not much to tell. We got sick of the city life and wanted a place where we could have our horses close at hand. Ended up moving across the country because of land costs. Bought a hundred or so acres surrounded by national forest, figure I'll never need to worry about neighbors that way. I milk cows in the morning and evening, might figure out how to make a living off that some day, and I am a software engineer working remotely thanks to starlink.
nicbou 4y ago
What do you do for a living now? This isn't my cup of tea, but I would just love to read about it regardless.
- pard68 4y ago
  I'm still a software engineer. I just get up early and milk cows first. With Starlink, I can pretty much work from anywhere so the lack of internet out here isn't a problem for me.
  - nicbou 4y ago
    How do you handle the social life aspect? I found it hard to settle in the capital of another country. Does it get lonely out there sometimes?
    - pard68 4y ago
      Not too bad actually. Some one comes over to our house nearly daily for a visit. I sell raw milk, eggs, and sometimes other stuff (meat when I have it). I am the only place to buy any food stuffs for 30 miles. On top of that, we have a very active and young (like 60% under 12) church community we are part of. Then my neighbors stop in a few times a week usually to say hi or drop off compost for the hogs or something. It is quieter, but I don't think it's too quiet or lonely.

sockaddr 4y ago

You’re so right it’s hilarious to me. I’m currently going through this phase now. Relearning the same lessons that have been relearnt and forgotten ten thousand times before me. Sitting outside watching bees go about their day is a good use of your time in your 30’s.

Sebb767 4y ago
> Relearning the same lessons that have been relearnt and forgotten ten thousand times before me. I don't think they are forgotten, you just changed. If I think back to being a child, going to a restaurant and just sit there and talk was incredibly boring. Also, Broccoli simply tasted like shampoo. Even when people told me I would enjoy it at some point, I just could not imagine this at all. It's just a completely different mindset and it sounds absurd when people tell you that you will change that drastically.
swyx 4y ago
getting real Good Will Hunting vibes off this thread. "You wasted $150,000 on an education you coulda got for a buck fifty in late charges at the public library."
nicbou 4y ago
You would probably enjoy The Secret Life of Trees. It kicked my nature walks into twelfth gear. As did Google Lens for identifying stuff.

Swizec 4y ago

Productivity is for people with no leverage. Folks in their 20’s usually have little choice beyond grinding harder. In your 30’s you not only have more resources, you’re also more effective with their deployment. But you do have less oomph to give. I say use the oomph while you have it.

doesnt_know 4y ago
This one of the primary ideas in "So Good They Can't Ignore You"[1]. In your 30's there is a decent chance you've spent a bunch of time building career capital, so you're now in a position to cash that in. Highly recommend reading the book. [1] So Good They Can't Ignore You: Why Skills Trump Passion in the Quest for Work You Love, Cal Newport, https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/13525945-so-good-they-can-t-ignore-you https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/13525945-so-good-they-ca...
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- arvinsim 4y ago
  Guess it sucks for us who weren't taught about concepts like career capital. We have to grind more to make up for lost time.

fallat 4y ago

Let me buy you a drink or pastry, because god damn I feel like this is more relevant than ever.

titanomachy 4y ago
Would take you up on that offer, but I no longer consume sugar or alcohol now that I'm in my thirties.

oregano 4y ago

This rings true for me as well. I’m in my mid thirties and just moved out of Seattle to live on a nearby island surrounded by trees. The night sounds of coyotes and owls is so much better than a city street.