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I mean, from my point of view as a passive Twitter user whose life has been unaffected by Elon taking over, I read this just as another repeat of the same ‘Anti

by 40four 4y ago

I mean, from my point of view as a passive Twitter user whose life has been unaffected by Elon taking over, I read this just as another repeat of the same ‘Anti-Musk narrative’ that keeps getting tossed around like a football. I don’t care either way, I’m not a Musk apologist, but I would just ask why this whole ordeal upsets you (and others) so much? Okay he immediately fired a ton of people from a company that was notorious for setting money on fire. Is that really surprising, that he guts his newly acquired company, so he can rebuild it the way he sees fit? Especially considering every single other huge tech company has laid off enormous amounts of employees in the last year? Are you just as mad at them as you are Elon? Again, I just don’t get why it makes folks so mad? Elon is going to do Elon things, and if it bothers you so much maybe try blocking him on Twitter, and ignoring any news you see about him. It’s not worth the stress. Especially if it causes you to take time out of your day to write such a rage filled post. Just go about your day, and don’t worry about how Elon chooses to run his companies. I doubt everyone cared this much about how Twitter was run before this, just go back to that and we’d all be happier.

DonHopkins 4y ago
>"I'm not X, but ..." Hmm, I've heard that phrase before.
SleepilyLimping 4y ago
>Again, I just don’t get why it makes folks so mad? The people who are mad are the type of people who were used to having the illusion of influence, or thought they had the social currency to do/get what they wanted with Twitter. They've lost that perceived control, and are suddenly anxious that they're addicted to a service they cannot influence or use for social power. They get happy for being able to drill in Musk's failure. To them, Musk is a convenient "rich" that they can finally apply "eat the rich" to.
- Swenrekcah 4y ago
  I don’t think that’s a fair characterisation. I am for instance not and have never been a twat and have disliked most of the discourse there and certainly resented the disproportionate amount of attention the twats got. However, I had and have little reason to trust that Musk won’t make twitter into simply a different kind of hell. He certainly said as much with all his (ultimately) fake “free speech” stance. Basically just because a thing is bad doesn’t mean it can’t get worse. If Musk manages to make twitter irrelevant though I’ll thank him for it.
jeffbee 4y ago
> I just don’t get why it makes folks so mad? It's because a lot of people have invested time into curating their little social sphere on Twitter and Mad Car Guy has set the company on a path to utter destruction. People don't like to have their things taken away. You may think Twitter "set money on fire" before Musk but objectively they were approximately breaking even and now they clearly are not.
isubasinghe 4y ago
Elon was just unnecessarily cruel with the layoffs imo, if he had been more professional and less political I think people would have had a different reaction. The anti Elon group grew pretty massively when he laid off people in the way that he did. Anecdotally, I was neutral of Elon before the layoffs but that changed when I saw the way he conducted himself.
jwilber 4y ago
“Elon is going to do Elon things, why get mad?” Quite the patronizing tone to say basically nothing. But I’ll add: tech forums (like this) are built for discussions about tech stuff (like twitter), so of course you’ll hear people floating their opinions about these topics. That doesn’t mean they care more/less than you. We get it, you’re above such petty discourse, but many tech employees see a difference between market layoffs and the richest man in the world buying a company on a whim and firing people over printed code reviews. Does holding that opinion mean that they’re stressing? Probably not. I’d bet most are just replying on the toilet.
fzeroracer 4y ago
For someone that says they're not a Musk apologist or to ignore Musk, you seem to have a rather long history of coming out specifically to defend Musk. You realize your immediate comment history is apparent, right? For reference [1] [2] [3] and so forth. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33999369 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33999369 [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33986234 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33986234 [3] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33986409 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33986409
- 40four 4y ago
  I guess you got me? You pointed out comments that came from one particular issue/ thread. That’s not a ‘rather long’ history. And as I said in those comments it had nothing to do with Elon. That was doxxing, plain and simple. And my mind hasn’t changed on that. Doesn’t matter If it’s Elon, Taylor Swift, or my next door neighbor. It’s wrong. Mind you, a high profile celebrity’s convoy got attacked right after all that happened, supposedly because they thought they were getting Elon. My point is just move on with your lives. It’s just recreational outrage at this point.
spindle 4y ago
> I would just ask why this whole ordeal upsets you (and others) so much? ... Again, I just don’t get why it makes folks so mad? ... > I doubt everyone cared this much about how Twitter was run before this There are two very separate issues. Some people are upset and mad (so good question, and I bet you get some good answers). Other people, including me, are not at all upset or mad BUT we think it's extremely interesting. And important.

by 40four 4y ago

DonHopkins 4y ago

>"I'm not X, but ..." Hmm, I've heard that phrase before.

SleepilyLimping 4y ago

>Again, I just don’t get why it makes folks so mad? The people who are mad are the type of people who were used to having the illusion of influence, or thought they had the social currency to do/get what they wanted with Twitter. They've lost that perceived control, and are suddenly anxious that they're addicted to a service they cannot influence or use for social power. They get happy for being able to drill in Musk's failure. To them, Musk is a convenient "rich" that they can finally apply "eat the rich" to.

Swenrekcah 4y ago
I don’t think that’s a fair characterisation. I am for instance not and have never been a twat and have disliked most of the discourse there and certainly resented the disproportionate amount of attention the twats got. However, I had and have little reason to trust that Musk won’t make twitter into simply a different kind of hell. He certainly said as much with all his (ultimately) fake “free speech” stance. Basically just because a thing is bad doesn’t mean it can’t get worse. If Musk manages to make twitter irrelevant though I’ll thank him for it.

jeffbee 4y ago

> I just don’t get why it makes folks so mad? It's because a lot of people have invested time into curating their little social sphere on Twitter and Mad Car Guy has set the company on a path to utter destruction. People don't like to have their things taken away. You may think Twitter "set money on fire" before Musk but objectively they were approximately breaking even and now they clearly are not.

isubasinghe 4y ago

Elon was just unnecessarily cruel with the layoffs imo, if he had been more professional and less political I think people would have had a different reaction. The anti Elon group grew pretty massively when he laid off people in the way that he did. Anecdotally, I was neutral of Elon before the layoffs but that changed when I saw the way he conducted himself.

jwilber 4y ago

“Elon is going to do Elon things, why get mad?” Quite the patronizing tone to say basically nothing. But I’ll add: tech forums (like this) are built for discussions about tech stuff (like twitter), so of course you’ll hear people floating their opinions about these topics. That doesn’t mean they care more/less than you. We get it, you’re above such petty discourse, but many tech employees see a difference between market layoffs and the richest man in the world buying a company on a whim and firing people over printed code reviews. Does holding that opinion mean that they’re stressing? Probably not. I’d bet most are just replying on the toilet.

fzeroracer 4y ago

For someone that says they're not a Musk apologist or to ignore Musk, you seem to have a rather long history of coming out specifically to defend Musk. You realize your immediate comment history is apparent, right? For reference [1] [2] [3] and so forth. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33999369 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33999369 [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33986234 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33986234 [3] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33986409 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33986409

40four 4y ago
I guess you got me? You pointed out comments that came from one particular issue/ thread. That’s not a ‘rather long’ history. And as I said in those comments it had nothing to do with Elon. That was doxxing, plain and simple. And my mind hasn’t changed on that. Doesn’t matter If it’s Elon, Taylor Swift, or my next door neighbor. It’s wrong. Mind you, a high profile celebrity’s convoy got attacked right after all that happened, supposedly because they thought they were getting Elon. My point is just move on with your lives. It’s just recreational outrage at this point.

spindle 4y ago

> I would just ask why this whole ordeal upsets you (and others) so much? ... Again, I just don’t get why it makes folks so mad? ... > I doubt everyone cared this much about how Twitter was run before this There are two very separate issues. Some people are upset and mad (so good question, and I bet you get some good answers). Other people, including me, are not at all upset or mad BUT we think it's extremely interesting. And important.