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Twitter wasn't all that stable before Musk.

by topspin 4y ago

X6S1x6Okd1st 4y ago
What year are you talking about?
- topspin 4y ago
  All of them, I guess. "Twitter back online after suffering longest global outage in years" (2022, before Musk fired everyone.) https://nypost.com/2022/07/14/twitter-down-as-social-media-giant-experiences-global-outage/ https://nypost.com/2022/07/14/twitter-down-as-social-media-g... "Twitter’s massive outage may be over, company says ‘no evidence’ of hack" (2020) https://www.theverge.com/2020/10/15/21518367/twitter-down-outage-tweets https://www.theverge.com/2020/10/15/21518367/twitter-down-ou... "Twitter Suffers Widespread Hour-Long Outage on Mobile Apps, Web" (2019) https://variety.com/2019/digital/news/twitter-suffers-worldwide-mobile-apps-web-1203265100/ https://variety.com/2019/digital/news/twitter-suffers-worldw... "Twitter is down again for some" (2018) https://techcrunch.com/2018/04/20/twitter-is-down-again-for-some/ https://techcrunch.com/2018/04/20/twitter-is-down-again-for-... "Twitter is down for some users" (2017) https://techcrunch.com/2017/05/19/twitter-is-down-for-some-users/ https://techcrunch.com/2017/05/19/twitter-is-down-for-some-u... Partial or total failures of Twitter isn't some new phenomena.
  - danShumway 4y ago
    It's February though, and we've seen at least two outages in the past 3 months, and arguably a lot more generally buggy instances where specific features have been broken (very often without postmortems or any kind of acknowledgement). I don't think people are surprised to see a website go down; they're surprised to see a website go down often enough that it no longer seems like a particularly noteworthy event. I opened this thread to see what people were saying about the policy change and instead saw people complaining about a service outage, and my response was not, "huh, what on earth is going on at Twitter?" It was, "eh, seems about right." Twitter always struggled with outages, but they shouldn't be the expected result whenever new features/changes are launched.
    - philliphaydon 4y ago
      In the past 3 months there’s been no outage? And I use Twitter every day.
      - icehawk 4y ago
        There was just one in December: https://techcrunch.com/2022/12/28/twitter-down-outage/ https://techcrunch.com/2022/12/28/twitter-down-outage/ https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/28/technology/twitter-outages.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/28/technology/twitter-outage...
        danShumway 4y ago
        Yep, and the event today certainly counts as an outage. I'm being charitable and only counting today's outage and December's (so two), but there's a strong case to be made that I should also be counting things like: - Spaces going down - 2FA breaking for a nontrivial number of users and (as far as I know) never getting fixed It's silly for anyone to claim that Twitter hasn't been less stable over the past few months than it usually is. ---- What makes an "outage" harder to define now is that Twitter basically gives no statements about them and no postmortems. There hasn't been any acknowledgement from Twitter about pretty much anything stability-wise since Musk took over. Which is another way that Twitter today is tangibly different from how it used to operate, but:shrug: The end result is that "outages" end up being a lot more blurry, and we get conflicting reports from Musk and from other workers about what happened, if we get reports at all. A system breaks and stops working randomly? Twitter's head of safety says it's temporarily down as part of a planned migration. Musk lies and says it never went down at all. Either way, you're not getting a record you can look up later on an uptime page. But the site does seem to be struggling more often than it used to.
        philliphaydon 4y ago
        Service disruption for a few countries now constitutes an outage?
        4y ago
  - nunobrito 4y ago
    Didn't even noticed. Using Nostr network since a good while now.
anigbrowl 4y ago
That's a wild exaggeration. I would experience occasional hiccups once or twice a year. I'm usually pretty active, tweet or reply a few hundred times a month.
- deleted 4y ago
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wnevets 4y ago
then paying $42 Billion Dollars for it was probably a mistake.
- bandrami 4y ago
  The value in Twitter wasn't/isn't the tech, it's the user base
  - wnevets 4y ago
    Then driving away a significant portion of the user base is probably a bad idea.
    - sieabahlpark 4y ago
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Twitter wasn't all that stable before Musk.

X6S1x6Okd1st 4y ago

What year are you talking about?

topspin 4y ago
All of them, I guess. "Twitter back online after suffering longest global outage in years" (2022, before Musk fired everyone.) https://nypost.com/2022/07/14/twitter-down-as-social-media-giant-experiences-global-outage/ https://nypost.com/2022/07/14/twitter-down-as-social-media-g... "Twitter’s massive outage may be over, company says ‘no evidence’ of hack" (2020) https://www.theverge.com/2020/10/15/21518367/twitter-down-outage-tweets https://www.theverge.com/2020/10/15/21518367/twitter-down-ou... "Twitter Suffers Widespread Hour-Long Outage on Mobile Apps, Web" (2019) https://variety.com/2019/digital/news/twitter-suffers-worldwide-mobile-apps-web-1203265100/ https://variety.com/2019/digital/news/twitter-suffers-worldw... "Twitter is down again for some" (2018) https://techcrunch.com/2018/04/20/twitter-is-down-again-for-some/ https://techcrunch.com/2018/04/20/twitter-is-down-again-for-... "Twitter is down for some users" (2017) https://techcrunch.com/2017/05/19/twitter-is-down-for-some-users/ https://techcrunch.com/2017/05/19/twitter-is-down-for-some-u... Partial or total failures of Twitter isn't some new phenomena.
- danShumway 4y ago
  It's February though, and we've seen at least two outages in the past 3 months, and arguably a lot more generally buggy instances where specific features have been broken (very often without postmortems or any kind of acknowledgement). I don't think people are surprised to see a website go down; they're surprised to see a website go down often enough that it no longer seems like a particularly noteworthy event. I opened this thread to see what people were saying about the policy change and instead saw people complaining about a service outage, and my response was not, "huh, what on earth is going on at Twitter?" It was, "eh, seems about right." Twitter always struggled with outages, but they shouldn't be the expected result whenever new features/changes are launched.
  - philliphaydon 4y ago
    In the past 3 months there’s been no outage? And I use Twitter every day.
    - icehawk 4y ago
      There was just one in December: https://techcrunch.com/2022/12/28/twitter-down-outage/ https://techcrunch.com/2022/12/28/twitter-down-outage/ https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/28/technology/twitter-outages.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/28/technology/twitter-outage...
      - danShumway 4y ago
        Yep, and the event today certainly counts as an outage. I'm being charitable and only counting today's outage and December's (so two), but there's a strong case to be made that I should also be counting things like: - Spaces going down - 2FA breaking for a nontrivial number of users and (as far as I know) never getting fixed It's silly for anyone to claim that Twitter hasn't been less stable over the past few months than it usually is. ---- What makes an "outage" harder to define now is that Twitter basically gives no statements about them and no postmortems. There hasn't been any acknowledgement from Twitter about pretty much anything stability-wise since Musk took over. Which is another way that Twitter today is tangibly different from how it used to operate, but:shrug: The end result is that "outages" end up being a lot more blurry, and we get conflicting reports from Musk and from other workers about what happened, if we get reports at all. A system breaks and stops working randomly? Twitter's head of safety says it's temporarily down as part of a planned migration. Musk lies and says it never went down at all. Either way, you're not getting a record you can look up later on an uptime page. But the site does seem to be struggling more often than it used to.
      - philliphaydon 4y ago
        Service disruption for a few countries now constitutes an outage?
        4y ago
- nunobrito 4y ago
  Didn't even noticed. Using Nostr network since a good while now.

anigbrowl 4y ago

That's a wild exaggeration. I would experience occasional hiccups once or twice a year. I'm usually pretty active, tweet or reply a few hundred times a month.

deleted 4y ago
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wnevets 4y ago

then paying $42 Billion Dollars for it was probably a mistake.

bandrami 4y ago
The value in Twitter wasn't/isn't the tech, it's the user base
- wnevets 4y ago
  Then driving away a significant portion of the user base is probably a bad idea.
  - sieabahlpark 4y ago
    [dead]